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Bird Flu

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 1:00 am
by duchess of malfi
U.S.: Flu pandemic could be worse than terrorist attack
White House unveils 'road map' for potential deadly outbreak

Wednesday, May 3, 2006; Posted: 3:26 p.m. EDT (19:26 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A disease pandemic could have more impact than a terrorist attack or a hurricane and might be comparable in scope to a war, a new White House report says.

The report, released Wednesday, offered proposals for how to respond to any pandemic outbreak, including the possibility of bird flu sweeping across the nation.

It's based on a worst-case scenario in which flu kills 2 million people, infects 50 million and puts 40 percent of workers out of commission.

White House officials say there is no need for alarm, given that a pandemic doesn't exist and so far, there's no evidence of easy human-to-human transmission of avian flu and its deadly H5N1 strain.

"It is impossible to predict whether the H5N1 virus will lead to a pandemic," the report said, "but history suggests that if it does not, another novel influenza virus will emerge at some point in the future and threaten an unprotected human population. ...

"Preparedness for a pandemic requires the establishment of infrastructure and capacity, a process that can take years," the report continued. "For this reason, significant steps must be taken now."

Recommendations include:


*stockpiling vaccines and developing a new one specific to a human flu strain;


*encouraging quarantines for infected people;


*pushing for mandatory evacuations only in the most extreme cases;


*encouraging business practices that minimize contact among employees, such as teleconferences and liberal leave policies;


*deploying the National Guard in cases of civil unrest; and


*restricting travel.

White House officials deflected suggestions that a pandemic would create chaos.

"Good planning and preparation will prevent it from being chaotic," White House homeland security adviser Frances Fragos Townsend told reporters. "It just will."

"It will not be a single-moment-in-time event. It will unfold slowly over days, weeks, months. It will not be in all places at the same time. There's good news to that," Townsend said.

"It allows us to take mitigation measures, both at the federal, state and local level, at the community and individual level, that can have a direct impact on how many people get sick and how badly it affects the economy."

Townsend called the implementation plan a "road map" that takes the principles of President Bush's strategy, outlined in November, and puts them into action for federal departments and agencies.

It covers both government and nongovernment actions to prepare for a potential pandemic, she said.

Some observers said they are worried about funding for the private-sector recommendations.

"My biggest concern is that there's a fair amount of money now on the table for vaccine development and for antiviral, like Tamiflu, stockpiling," said Irwin Redlener, director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness at Columbia University. "What is very much shortchanged though ... is the ability to prepare hospitals and local communities to take care of the millions and millions of people who will get sick."

Appearing on CNN's "American Morning," Redlener said if a pandemic strikes, 10 million to 15 million people might be sick enough to need hospitalization, and "the hospitals in America are simply not ready to cope with that kind of input."

Townsend's response was that states and local communities have their own budgets and pandemic preparedness needs to be a priority for them.

The administration's 228-page report includes more than 300 recommendations for how the public and private sectors should tackle a possible pandemic.

Some critics have questioned why the document doesn't include plans to close U.S. borders.

But White House officials said that such a move would just be a minor speed bump for a looming pandemic.

"If you were to eliminate or stop 90 percent of travelers with flu from arriving in this country, you might delay the peak of a pandemic by one to two weeks," Venkayya said. "And if you limit that number by up to 99 percent, some models show that you might delay the pandemic another one to two weeks."

The first installment of the money Bush requested to support the effort -- $3.8 billion of the $7.1 billion -- was included in a Defense Department supplemental appropriation he signed December 30.

When Bush presented the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza last year, he described it as the country's approach "to address the threat of pandemic influenza, whether it results from the strain currently in birds in Asia or another influenza virus."

"It outlines how we intend to prepare, detect and respond to a pandemic," he said. "It also outlines the important roles to be played not only by the federal government but also by state and local governments, private industry, our international partners and most importantly individual citizens, including you and your families."

According to the strategy document, its intent is "stopping, slowing or otherwise limiting the spread of a pandemic to the United States; limiting the domestic spread of a pandemic, and mitigating disease, suffering and death; and sustaining infrastructure and mitigating impact to the economy and the functioning of society."

Pillars of the strategy include preparedness and communication, surveillance and detection, and response and containment, the document said.

Redlener advises people to make their own preparations, including having enough food and other supplies on hand to stay at home for five to seven days.

CNN's Suzanne Malveaux contributed to this report.
In our state the public health department has already said that they want everyone to stockpile a three week supplies of food and bottled water other items (toilet paper, etc.) in case they have to restrict everyone to their homes for three weeks if there is a big bird flu outbreak. :? There are some problems with that - including the fact that a lot of people who live in apartments or condos simply would not have enough storage room for that much food & supplies. And what about people who have jobs with employers who would not pay them to be off for up to three weeks in a situation like that? What would they live on? And obviously some people would have to go to work no matter what - fire fighters, hospital workers, police officers - would they be forced to live at work for three weeks and not be able to go home? :?

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:52 am
by Avatar
It's an interesting issue. On the one hand, so far it isn't becoming human-transmissable, on the other, I think that the worst case scenario is a little optimistic.

Apart from that, the track-record of responding to disasters so far doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

--A

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:54 pm
by Revan
I honestly think the media is blowing this way out of proportion. It hasn't been transmitted to humans yet - and there's no sign it will.

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:57 pm
by I'm Murrin
It's rare, needs the person to be living in close proximity to the birds, and hasn't yet been transmitted between humans. Fears of mutation, that might allowed it to become contagious, are valid, but definately being taken a bit far at the minute.

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 4:03 pm
by Revan
Murrin wrote:It's rare, needs the person to be living in close proximity to the birds, and hasn't yet been transmitted between humans. Fears of mutation, that might allowed it to become contagious, are valid, but definately being taken a bit far at the minute.
By points exactly. And even on some far-fetched chance it does happen - humans will persevere, we always do. :)

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 5:15 pm
by onewyteduck
I agree that right now it's being blown out of proportion but I don't think the fear that it might mutate is. The Spanish Flu of the early 1900's that killed so many people started out as an Avian flu......

Bird flu, mad cow........invest in pork! ;)

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 5:30 pm
by Revan
onewyteduck wrote:I agree that right now it's being blown out of proportion but I don't think the fear that it might mutate is. The Spanish Flu of the early 1900's that killed so many people started out as an Avian flu......

Bird flu, mad cow........invest in pork! ;)
Question: Why is no-one concerned about the birds dying and being wiped out...?

Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 5:37 pm
by onewyteduck
I'm not that hasn't been researched. There was a little something on CNN last week, a lot of concern in NYC because of all the Pigeons. Apparently Pigeons are immune. That was basically all that was said, don't know who, when, how, the research was carried out or if other species have been monitored.

That would be quite tragic though! :(

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 7:04 am
by Avatar
Swine fever, Ducky. :)

I agree with you that people shouldn't dismiss it out of hand. AIDS mutated into a virus that could pass between humans, indeed, mutation is practically a given, at some point.

The question really isn't if, it's when.

--A

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 2:21 pm
by Revan
Avatar wrote:Swine fever, Ducky. :)

I agree with you that people shouldn't dismiss it out of hand. AIDS mutated into a virus that could pass between humans, indeed, mutation is practically a given, at some point.

The question really isn't if, it's when.

--A
Yeah, but it doesn't mean it's going to wipe us all out - or even many of us. I'm sorry, I just don't see it happening.

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 2:38 pm
by High Lord Tolkien
Darth Revan wrote: Yeah, but it doesn't mean it's going to wipe us all out - or even many of us. I'm sorry, I just don't see it happening.
?
For the people who have already gotten it it's been 50/50 whether or not they surivive past a week.
It's not something you can just drink orange juice and wait to get better like the regular flu.
I've also read that it's not even something like chicken pox where once you get it you're immune from getting it again!
If it mutates even a little you could get it all over again.

I also don't see it wiping out humanity either.
But if it mutates it's going to spread and spread fast.
AndI want my government to be ready.
It's what they're there for.
When I also hear EVERY YEAR that there are flu vaccine shortages it make my head feel like it's going to explode!
The one thing that we should be spending TOO MUCH money on gets short changed!
Arrghh!


And it's great to know that pigeons (rats with wings) are immune.
Just like cockroaches with radiation.
:-x

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 2:42 pm
by Cail
Like I've said before, if you're expecting the government to protect you from the Bird Flu, you're going to die.

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 2:48 pm
by High Lord Tolkien
Cail wrote:Like I've said before, if you're expecting the government to protect you from the Bird Flu, you're going to die.
:Hail: :haha:


True, but damn-it, they SHOULD!

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 2:51 pm
by onewyteduck
Avatar wrote:Swine fever, Ducky. :)

I agree with you that people shouldn't dismiss it out of hand. AIDS mutated into a virus that could pass between humans, indeed, mutation is practically a given, at some point.

The question really isn't if, it's when.

--A
D-Oh! Forgot all about the Swine Flu! Perhaps Sarge can give all of us pointers on the Vegan lifestyle!

Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 3:52 pm
by dlbpharmd
1) I agree that it's being blown out of proportion.

2) I agree that eventually the virus will mutate and be able to be transmitted via a human vector

3) I don't think comparison to the flu pandemic of 1918 is valid. Those deaths occured before modern hospital services, such as intensive care units, pharmaceuticals and ventilators were available.

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 11:22 am
by Avatar
Very true Dlb. Unfortunately, by far the majority of people on earth don't have ready access to intensive care units, pharmaceuticals and ventilators.

--A

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:06 pm
by Revan
Cail wrote:Like I've said before, if you're expecting the government to protect you from the Bird Flu, you're going to die.
Exactly. You need to take your own safety measures as well.


I still think it won't happen.

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:03 pm
by Cail
I don't think it'll be as big of a deal as it's being hyped, especially in developed countries.

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 9:57 pm
by Revan
Cail wrote:I don't think it'll be as big of a deal as it's being hyped, especially in developed countries.
Like I've said so many times before: it's always the Media. I don't know what they're trying to achieve... power? the downfall of Governments? Just to ruin people's life's? They always find little things to pick at and blame certain people who couldn't have helped the situation one way or another.

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 10:27 pm
by Marv
i've built myself a shelter in the back yard and designed a protective outfit. i'm confident that bird flu wont be able to hurt me. i also have a radar system that tells me when a bird is approaching the house and a machine-gun contaraption that blasts 'em out of the sky if they come within 50 feet. 8)

also, why cant scientists come up with something better than 'flu'? there's about a million different kinds, its getting ridiculous. :roll: