White Gold Wielder (To say Farewell)

[Cail84]

Ok, i just wont to say i really did enjoy this ending and the whole series emmensly. It is my third favorite of all time. I do have some questions however on the last chapter that for some reason confused me.

Spoiler

At the end when Linden awakes to find the other doc standing over her, helping her, she sees Covenant and the knife is in his chest and he is dead, The doctor tells her about the lunatics who were praying at the fire under lord fouls control, how they burned their hands and he came out to investigate with the sherif. This all i got, and thats fine, the thing i have some trouble with understanding is... at the end it says. "Linden Avery kept a sure hold on her wedding ring" (ok, i understand that it was given to her to use to restore the land and all of that i understood, and i thought was very well written, however...this is what gets me confused..... if the two worlds are seperate and everytime covenant has come back before, he comes back to being hurt like he was when he got summoned into the land, (lets say that their soul crosses over to the land.. and becomes manifest in the land as a living breathing person, but when its time to go back they become a soul again.. how DID SHE RETAIN THE RING???? am i just wrong on my assumption on the soul thing? I just doesnt make sense to me that every time he has come back before he is always as he was, if thats true, in the real world, wouldnt his dead body still be in possesion of the ring?

When they are at the one tree, and Covenant trys to send Linden back with his ring to save his life, she comes back and says she cant not since his soul isnt there. His very will to live isnt there.. Then once again i ask, how is the ring in her position in the real world? I can understand the LAND, and i would understood it if she went over to him and took the ring, but bah.. im confused.

So yeah, if someone could shed some light on those little things that confused me, i would be greatful
Cail

[Fist and Faith]

Cail, please hit the edit button at the top right of your post, then put all that in spoilers. I have gotten reprimanded myself for such things. Although most people who participate in the Dissecting the Land forum have read all the books already, some have not. If they want, we want them to be able to read each chapter's Dissection after they read the actual chapter, and not accidentally read something here that they haven't read in the book yet.

However, this kind of question is perfectly fine for the Thomas Covenant Discussion forum. People read there at their own risk!

[Furls Fire]

Dissecting is set up to do one book at a time, one chapter at a time. Right now, we are doing The One Tree. People are assigned chapters to do "read-leads". That person does the synopsis of the chapter and then the rest of us add our input on it. It's designed this way to be like group reads, where people can follow along in the books, and we all assume that there are people reading them for the first time. That's the reason for the spoiler warning, since we aren't on White Gold Wielder yet.

Hope that made sense

[Cail84]

Sorry about that, didnt know you choose a book to dissect at a time. So is there a way to move this one to Discussing Covenant? Or should i make a new post over there?
Thanks
Cail

[Furls Fire]

That's okay

We'll get danlo to move it...he's the dissecting guru around here.

no worries

[Cail84]

Cool, thank you
Cail

[Romeo]

I always thought that the ending of White Gold Wielder was brilliant - particularly that last line about the ring. It was such a great ending, but it hinted at so much more. And as he said in the Gradual Interview, he didn't expect a continuation of the story at that point, so it wasn't meant as a cliffhanger.

I've seen this discussed before, and I don't think there's an answer to it. It's probably along the lines of the way the Creator kept Covenant from dying at the end of the first chronicles when the doctors gave him antivenin for the rattler poison, and he was alergic to it.

A line from the movie Highlander comes to mind, "Hey - it's a kind of magic."

(which, if you have the director's cut, makes a bit more sense since he said it when he FIRST met Rachael - there were a few scenes put back in that were apparently in the European version, but cut from the US version)

Hopefully the Last Chronicles will shed some light on how this was possible.

[variol son]

And as he said in the Gradual Interview, he didn't expect a continuation of the story at that point, so it wasn't meant as a cliffhanger.

But didn't SRD say in the gradual interview that when he finally gave in to Lester del Rey and started thinking of ideas for the second chronicles, that the third chronicles was in some way part of that, like a logical conclusion?

I'll have to find that answer now.

Sum sui generis
Vs

[variol son]

The practical fact, however, is that I did not imagine ever writing a second "Chronicles" while I was at work on the first. I didn't see that far ahead. (In contrast, I had "The Last Chronicles" quite clearly in mind when I wrote the second trilogy.)

Found it!

Sum sui generis
Vs

[hierachy]

Spoiler

I had always am,agined it to be the way in which she aquired the ring. After covenant died and left the ring to her it became her ring. And besides, not only did Covenant always wake the way he was when he entered the land, but he was also the way he was when he left the land, the "terms of his return". In this case, something was different.

[Furls Fire]

I always knew that the ending of WGW was not the end of the story itself. There were way too many questions unanswered and more doors were opened instead of closed. Foul wasn't "destroyed" he was just once again "reduced". The laws of both life and death were broken. There was a new Staff of Law. On and On and On... too many loose ends. I knew it wasn't over.

[Romeo]

Doh! Sorry, I'm starting to act my age. I was thinking of the end of WGW, and for some reason in my mind thought that it was the end of "the first chronicles".

Too much html and php and javascript makes John ... something something.

[danlo]

(well aren't you just Ms Smartypants! For all you do, we forgive you R! )

[sesusan]

The way I see it is that in the first trilagy Covenents mind could not handle the Land being real. Therefore, he subconsiously, or through the Creator, made himself recieve the initial injuries. On the other hand Linden really wanted the ring and was therefore able to bring it back with her. In otherwords its almost a mind over matter thing.
I don't know what do you think?

[variol son]

Too much html and php and javascript makes John ... something something.

Go crazy?



Sum sui generis
Vs

[Romeo]

Don't mind if I do!

[Cail84]

Thanks everyone, it makes more sense to me know, since i re-read the last 2 chapters and then read all of your replys!!.
Cail