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dANdeLION wrote:Variol F., please let me know who you do like, because you sound like a man of incredible discernment. BTW, I'd love to hear your thoughts on Anthony's Xanth trilogy (right. trilogy. to the fifth power, maybe. I think I know why Piers never became a mathmetician) :screwy:
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I am really not tremendously well-read. I am the sort of person who would rather go into a few authors in depth than browse many superficially, and I have a bit of a bias against new books. Old books (the kind that are still reprinted) have the great advantage of having survived. I mean, millions still read LOTR, but who remembers what was #1 on the Times bestseller list back in 1955? It's easier to avoid the trash, because all the trash from 50 or 100 years back was thrown away long ago.

At present, SRD is the only living epic-fantasy author whose work I really and thoroughly enjoy. George R.R. Martin is very interesting, but a lot of work because of those 30,000 simultaneous plotlines; and what with all the death, suffering, betrayal, and rather pornographic violence, I find it just too much of a downer in large doses. (And I'm the guy who cackled with glee at the destruction of the Unhomed, and thought the sun of pestilence was cool.) Tad Williams' stuff is intriguing, but the combination of his rather cautious prose style and downright pedestrian naming (at least in Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn) has always kept me from getting deeply into his work. Guy Gavriel Kay is a brilliant and challenging author, but I could never get past the first chapter of The Fionavar Tapestry. I mean, the wizard and the dwarf were OK, I can buy that, but the protagonists are something else again. I just cannot suspend my disbelief in such an obviously nonexistent and self-contradictory fantasy locale as the University of Toronto! :wink:

Lawrence Watt-Evans does some interesting stuff, but I find him uneven — he has sometimes put out books that I thought of as mere potboilers. I like his short stories very much. R.A. Lafferty wrote brilliantly funny short fiction as well — 'Been A Long, Long Time' is my personal favourite. Robert Silverberg's Majipoor books are reasonably cool. Poul Anderson's series loosely congealing round the character of Ogier the Dane is very good; Midsummer Tempest is a real treat. Lloyd Alexander's Prydain books were one of the principal jewels of my childhood. (I wonder where my copies have got to! Lost in the course of too many house-moves, I suspect.) I like and respect Orson Scott Card and Ursula K. LeGuin as prose artists and literary critics, but oddly enough I have never read any of their fiction beyond a few short stories. I'm sure I'm missing something good; but then, life is short and bookshops are expensive.

Generally speaking, my favourite English-language authors are Tolkien, Lewis, G.K. Chesterton, George Orwell, Mark Twain, and perhaps Fielding. Malory makes beautiful reading for short stretches, but it's easy to lose your way through the story. (Obviously Martin took some pointers from the Morte Darthur!)

I'm quite taken with Jonathan Swift and Lewis Carroll, and I've always had a soft spot for Robert A. Heinlein. (I consider Tunnel in the Sky his most perfect book, but I freely confess there are still several I haven't read. 'The Man who Travelled in Elephants' is the best story ever written in the style of Ray Bradbury, and it was written by Heinlein! The man had hidden depths.)

Mervyn Peake is an essential occupant of my mental library, but like most Peake fans I was bitterly disappointed by Titus Alone. (I'm one of the minority, by the way, who think the miniseries of Gormenghast was downright wonderful.) Douglas Adams was very amusing indeed before he got tired of writing — say, up until Life, The Universe, and Everything and The Meaning of Liff.

As you can tell, most of the fiction I really like has some fantastic element to it. Plain mimetic realism just bores me, I'm afraid — and I cheerfully concede that this is a fault in my own taste. I do rather like Jane Austen, and wish she had been freer with her stiletto wit. (The opening sentence of Pride and Prejudice, considered as a trenchant one-liner on human nature, beats any comparable passage in Swift.) It helps with Austen that the everyday civilized life she wrote about is so long gone and so completely effaced by change that it might as well be set in an alternate world. Fielding is very good, especially Tom Jones. I actually liked The Great Gatsby. I respect and admire Hemingway but find him a bit of a bore. Henry Miller had some very interesting techniques if you can just wade through all the pseudo-intellectual porn.

Speaking of long-gone civilizations, Colleen McCullough's Roman books are one of my chief guilty pleasures.

Lately I've been going through an enthusiasm for P.G. Wodehouse, though I haven't yet read anything but the Jeeves books. If this seems odd, bear in mind that Bertie Wooster's version of England is as much a fantasy world as King Arthur's Britain, and Jeeves as a wizard is quite up to the Oz standard if not the Gandalf. ('Pay no attention to that man in the butler's pantry!') Actually it's the sheer joyous felicity of language that carries me along through Wodehouse. The botched quotations, daft similes, and the sheer buzz and burble of Bertie's first-person narration simply make that series one of the leading pyrotechnic displays in the history of English prose style. And I laugh myself hoarse while reading it. The only American author of that era who was as consistently funny, I think, is Damon Runyon.

Re Anthony: I haven't read any Xanth, but I have read three or four of Piers Anthony's other books. I was too old when I came to them — 17 or 18 — and except for On A Pale Horse, which was fairly good, they all struck me as complete and utter tosh. And the effrontery of the man! The Color of Her Panties, indeed! 1-800-HI-PIERS! There are ways to be cheerfully self-promoting (see Robert Sawyer) or self-appreciative (see Isaac Asimov, another author I still have a fondness for); but Mr. Anthony does not seem to me to have the knack.

Oh, and by the way: If you haven't read Silverlock by John Myers Myers, you have missed the most concentrated delight in the literature of the English language. Those words are strong, but Jerry Pournelle, Jim Baen, and Poul Anderson all agree with me.

So there you are. Query to the Powers That Be: Is that enough on a positive note to keep this thread open? :D


(Of course I'm a man of incredible discernment. I am a Farseer, after all!) :P
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You do realize the Silverlock/SRD connection right? 8)
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Roland of Gilead wrote:...f someone doesn't like Stephen King, for instance, I'm not going to take offense.
I'll just shake my head in bemusement and wonder where your reading tastes took such a violently wrong turn.
Well, I read his stuff for years, and by the Pet Cemetary/Tommyknockers days (late '80's), I just found his new stuff to be too easily predicted. But, I loved the first ten or so books. As for Anthony, I felt he had good stuff starting out, but just got too commercial to be of any worth to me.
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danlo wrote:You do realize the Silverlock/SRD connection right? 8)
'Steeped in the vacuum of her dreams, A mirror's empty till A man rides through it.' Yep.

I also observe that SRD is a fan of Tolkien, Lewis, and Doctor Who. The man has taste! ;)
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Okay, let me clarify a little. I don't think it's a bad thing to warn others or your bad reading experiences. We're all smart enough here to look at the suggestions and decide whether or not to read an author listed here, and form our own opinions about him/her. No two of us are going to get the same exact thing out of any book. Tom has been my best friend for over a third of a century; we both 'discovered' SRD at the same time, we both love his work, but we each have different things we like best. So, it stands to reason that what I may hate, many of you won't hate as much, and some will actually like. I'm okay with that, and that's why I worry a little (I stress LITTLE) that this thread does some authors a disservice.

But, that's not really why I was thinking of locking this thread. When all was said and done, I realized that what looked like dissention was in fact a simple misunderstanding, and as long as we're treating this topic responsibly, and each other respectfully (which is almost always the case, and makes my mod job quite simple, thank you all) there is no need to lock it or remove it.
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I disliked that stupid Wheel of Time author.... man, he sucked.


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Some recent Jordan news, for those who dislike Jordan but liked him before books 7-10:
Robert Jordan wrote:I've decided to put off the remaining two short novels until after I finish the last two main sequence novels. I really feel that I have a head of steam with those two.
He says he thinks there'll be "incident enough for anyone", and that he's "excited" about these last two books. Obviously he's started listening to the fans at last, so he may yet redeem himself for those who have been put off the Wheel of Time series.
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I saw that same interview. He says that he will be writing those last two books straight through, so I am hoping will not even be a huge wait between them...

And for those waiting for Martin's AFFC-- as he is writing he is apparently sending pieces of it in to the publisher so it can be edited and what have you as he goes. Therefore, a lot of the "post work" on the part of the publisher will have already been completed when he is. :)
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HEY, DAN, I WAS JUST KIDDING. SORRY I DIDNT READ THE OTHER POSTS BEFORE I POSTED, OR I WOULDNT HAVE FLAMED THAT WHEEL OF OVERTIME GUY...... ;)
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What, is Danlo whining about the RJ bashing now? Man, you'd think that guy was busy enough modding his own forums...... :screwy:
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Sure, go ahead, blame it on the guy in the "raincoat"... :roll: :P
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Lemony Snicket - A Series of Unfortunate Events.
The most depressing, horrible books ever written. Don't even try to read them. :cry:
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Haruchai wrote:Lemony Snicket - A Series of Unfortunate Events.
The most depressing, horrible books ever written. Don't even try to read them. :cry:
Um...prepeare yourself......They've been made into a movie. Staring Jim Carey as the Baron or something like that. I saw the preview when I went to see Harry Potter.
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Yeah, I read that somewhere. Indeed starring Jim Carrey.
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Well, I only read the first book, and it was bad. I can't believe it is being made into a movie!! yuk!
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Hard to say which one I dislike the most... But I can say I'm disappointed with Jordan... I like long books but there is a limit and he has crossed it a long time ago.

*thinking hard* So here's my vote: Terry Brooks is no 1 on my personal list of authors I can't stand. A couple of pages was all it took to see through his LotR carbon copy story.
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Even if you dislike Brooks, still read Elfstones and Druid of Shanara. Those are the best of the series and I truly enjoy them. Wishsong isn't too shabby either.
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I tried to read Brooks before I had started to read novels in English... This was years ago. So I might try to read one of them in English. :) That could possibly make them a bit better.
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