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Ah, ok. Wondered if he might have been somebody we'd met.

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Gotta say I seem to find DoD quite difficult to digest...maybe it's all the Icarium stuff in the beginning that I found needlessly complicated, but this has been my 3rd read of it, and I feel I only now got to grips whith what was actually going on.

200 pages into TCG now, and it's getting better. Found the short jumps between viewpoints a bit confusing for the first 150 pages or so.

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I found DoD a little hard to read as well. I spent maybe a month and a half reading the first book of it, then I put it down for 8-10 months, then I managed to start over and get through the book. I liked it, but I definitely don't consider it the best in the series.
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Honestly, I think Erikson just lost track of a few things, and messed up. But it's not of any concern to me. If the series was a whole lot shorter, I'd probably keep better track of them, and post a lot about it. :lol: But the series is just so extraordinary that I'm entirely willing to pretend none of the mistakes are there. :D


Re DoD, yeah, it dragged a lot is some places. But we learn a seriously cool thing in TCG that makes it much better!
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Say, Picker's torcs in DHG were ivory, not silver. :D

Ok, finished the series. Wow.

This time round, since DHG and Duiker's comments about the Roll of the Fallen, I've expected this to end up being the book of everybody who died.
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So, this is not an issue so much as an observation, but toward the end of MoI, which is where I am on the re-read now, Dujek and Whiskeyjack have a conversation before heading to Coral...it basically resolves the majority of "imperial tension" issues in the whole series, if you can just remember it across enough books. :D The first part I'd remembered (although not where it was mentioned), the rest I'd forgotten about.

1) All of the talking about how Laseen broke what was left of the old guard back down to the ranks, Whiskeyjack, Stormy & Gessler, most of the Bridgeburners...Dujeck reminds Whiskeyjack that "Lassen saw this coming...that's why she inverted the command structure. To make sure the right people were on the ground.

1a)Tayschrenn thought he was saving the Bridgeburners by ordering them to remai in the tunnels at Pale, thinking it would be the safest place.

2) Tayschrenn was grooming Tattersail to be the Master (Mistress) of the Deck. Because Paran was involved with her at the time, the remnants of that preparation affected him when Bellurdan killed Tattersail, making him the unintended candidate.

2 is interesting, but 1 is really worth keeping in mind.

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Regarding number 1: Erikson actually may have shored this up a bit in GotM before getting to it again in MoI...specifically, at some point it's mentioned that the, how to put this, geological structure/rock, ground formation under Pale was already set up to collapse the tunnels. So is that something the Malazan Empire already knew about? Well, one of Erikson's characters remarks while Tayschrenn is leaning over a battle map that Tay probably can't even read the thing to save his life. So he may be completely out of the loop in terms of problems like that, assuming anyone knew about them. It's not clear to me exactly when the Malazans found out the rock structure would be a problem for the tunnels, but it's unlikely that Dujek would've let something like that happen to the tunnelers and if he didn't know about the structure in advance it's unlikely anyone did?
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I have a tough time imagining anyone had greater knowledge of that land than the Bridgeburners who were tunneling through it.
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The people of Pale or the Moranth (due to their long enmity) might. It's true the malazan sappers are well regarded, though. The Moranth seem specifically nonhostile to the Malazans (they don't think they are corrupt), at least according to that one conversation where they say as much. So I don't think they would have let a landslide happen.
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So, I changed the title of this thread a bit, since I'm running ahead in my re-read so I might as well use this for just random stuff as well.

Just finished HoC and I'm reminded why this was for a long time my favourite, and remains such a good book...I might skim the first couple hundred pages, at least until Karsa gets free, but from then on it's pretty enthralling.

I do like how quickly Erikson turns Karsa from a 1-dimensional character to a multi-dimensional one, although that said, it is a very thick book, so a character arc that could have encompassed books is handled pretty quickly.

I think about the meta of a big series like this quite a bit...to what extent was stuff planned, and to what extent did it arise organically, and the "roundness" of most of the major characters from the start always makes me think more of it was planned out in advance than wasn't.

(Also they had the advantage that they'd basically gamed in that world for years as far as I know before turning it into the books, so they had plenty of time to develop stuff.)

Anyway, thrilling conclusion to the Chain of Dogs, great new characters, more about characters we already know...

Of course, now it's MT, probably my least favourite book of all as we jump back to before GotM to hear Trull's story of how the Edur...uh...had problems. :D I really only read this for Tehol and Bugg.

(Also, I always get Onrack and Onos T'oolan mixed up...I totally forgot about
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Avatar wrote: (Also, I always get Onrack and Onos T'oolan mixed up...
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He did pretty well against the Liosan.. (That whole scene is pretty hilarious...when they finally find Gesler and Stormy and get themselves beaten up again. :D )

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Prob about 1/4 way through MoT, as always I end up skimming far less than I intend to, but still pretty happy jumping through stuff like Udinaas and the Wyveral story line, (at least until Ruin shows up), and a lot of the Edur stuff, although some bits, like Trull and the Jheck, and Rhulad's "encoining" does tend to suck you in. Tehol and Bugg are always a pleasure of course.

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Tehol and Bugg should have their own book. Or a talk show.
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LOL

I also forgot that this is where we meet Iron Bars. :D

Anyway, started The Bonehunters today, another great one.

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Avatar wrote: I also forgot that this is where we meet Iron Bars. :D
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Liosan always seem to get the short end of the stick in Erikson. Same with the Fork'rul or however you spell it. I don't just mean they end up with bad fates, I mean I feel like those two races get depicted more negatively than most.
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I feel the Forkrul are a bit inconsistent...on the one hand, they're like this indomitable force that everybody is terrified of, on the other, plenty of them get killed / defeated / etc. over the course of the books.

The Liosan are just plain annoyingly self-righteous for the most part. L'oric seems to be the exception of course. (Usually, not always.)

Just passed the bit where Fiddler et al crawl out from Y'ghatan...pretty hardcore. :D

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Ah. I feel better.
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