A Gunslinger wrote:Corruption needs to be destroyed.
I know his post was controversial, but that's a bit harsh
I see no reason for the Last Chrons to be unnecessary if SRD has had them in mind for so long. While the ending of WGW was quite complete in most respects, there were also numerous things left open - What really happened to Foul? What of the new Law of the Land? Sunder's future? What about Roger? I suspect we will get all these answers now...
IMO, when I first heard about the third chrons... my initial reaction was hmm... okay. But after some thought I was like "...will I read them? Or leave well enough alone?"
I have reservations about it. But at the same time I have enough interest to see where Donaldson will take us.
My reservations probably most likely come from my intense disappointment with anything after Dune (Frank Herbert's). The first novel is the ONLY Dune novel for me, everything else after that... I mean Paul turning into this giant Worm? Ohhh pluzzzeeezzzee. So I never pursued after God Emperor.
I just am hoping that where-ever SRD is going to take us it's going to be great. I love his books (read my own dissections and such) and read them annually...have been for the last 15 years....right along with LOTR and a few others (including Dune). Yes, I do throw in a new book in between all that. I'm a voracious reader so that heavy of a schedule doesn't bog me down.
I will along with the rest of you pick up the first of the third and go from there. Go with it with the same love that I have for the first two chrons.
Afterall, joy is in the ears that hear.
kevinswatch wrote:Plus, like everyone else said, I think SRD has a nack of writing good sequals, and not give us some crappy Star Wars prequal, heh.-jay
A Gunslinger wrote:Corruption needs to be destroyed.
I know his post was controversial, but that's a bit harsh
I see no reason for the Last Chrons to be unnecessary if SRD has had them in mind for so long. While the ending of WGW was quite complete in most respects, there were also numerous things left open - What really happened to Foul? What of the new Law of the Land? Sunder's future? What about Roger? I suspect we will get all these answers now...
I had always surmised that Roger would be part of a potential 3rd series, given the recurring theme of "father" in the Covenant stuff (e.g., Lord-Fatherer, Variol-son, Covenant/Elena), but I must admit I had thought him a potential protagonist, not an egent of corruption, which it seems he must be.
I still see possible redemption for Roger, Gunslinger. The title of the first chapter has given me hopes for a 'Father's Son' chapter in which he proves himself as strong as his father (since in Mother's Son he's obviously as weak as his mother (to have been corrupted)).
Murrin wrote:I still see possible redemption for Roger, Gunslinger. The title of the first chapter has given me hopes for a 'Father's Son' chapter in which he proves himself as strong as his father (since in Mother's Son he's obviously as weak as his mother (to have been corrupted)).
Is Joan weak? Does possession necessarily imply a lack of strength?
As was my reply - I didn't mean to criticize. It's just that what you said about Joan made me ponder her character. I don't tend to think of Joan as being weak; rather, in the 1st Chronicles she showed alot of strength, IMO, because she was willing to throw away her marriage and her life for the sake of her son. SRD talked about this in the gradual interview sometime back, about the protective instincts of parents. I'll try to find that answer and post it here for you.
Again, I apologize for my rudeness in responding to your comments.
Oh, no, I didn't think it was rude. I'd thought when I first posted I'd not said it right (should have said he'll show he may share some of his father's strengths as well as his mother's weaknesses).
dlbpharmd wrote:As was my reply - I didn't mean to criticize. It's just that what you said about Joan made me ponder her character. I don't tend to think of Joan as being weak; rather, in the 1st Chronicles she showed alot of strength, IMO, because she was willing to throw away her marriage and her life for the sake of her son.
I don't see it that way myself. There's nothing strong about throwing things away out of irrational fear. To have faced her fear and then come to a rational decision, that would have been strong. But I got the decided impression that Joan just panicked.
I have to agree. The hospital scene were she keeps saying "It's catching, Tom" indicates a panicky woman - though understandably so, since she knew nothing about leprosy.
Murrin wrote:I still see possible redemption for Roger, Gunslinger. The title of the first chapter has given me hopes for a 'Father's Son' chapter in which he proves himself as strong as his father (since in Mother's Son he's obviously as weak as his mother (to have been corrupted)).
Is Joan weak? Does possession necessarily imply a lack of strength?
I think it does... I mean Linden became stronger than Moska after a while...
dlbpharmd wrote:As was my reply - I didn't mean to criticize. It's just that what you said about Joan made me ponder her character. I don't tend to think of Joan as being weak; rather, in the 1st Chronicles she showed alot of strength, IMO, because she was willing to throw away her marriage and her life for the sake of her son.
I don't see it that way myself. There's nothing strong about throwing things away out of irrational fear. To have faced her fear and then come to a rational decision, that would have been strong. But I got the decided impression that Joan just panicked.
Remember who SRD told us in LFB were most susceptible to leprosy? Old people and children, as I recall. Joan's fear of Roger catching his father's disease wasn't irrational at all, when taken in the context of the story.
It's entirely possible that my position as a father clouds my opinion.
Seafoam Understone wrote:The first novel is the ONLY Dune novel for me, everything else after that... I mean Paul turning into this giant Worm? Ohhh pluzzzeeezzzee. So I never pursued after God Emperor.
Actually, Paul doesn't become a worm, his son Leto II does. The order to read these books in is:
<i>Dune
Dune Messiah
Children of Dune
God Emperor of Dune
Heretics of Dune
Chapterhouse Dune</i>
If you consider Leto II's metamorphosis symbolically (after all I assume you like TCTC with all its unbelievable magic!) you'll find you've missed out on the best writings of Herbert in <i>Heretics</i> and <i>Chapterhouse</i>. Why is it that Leto's worm metamorphosis bothers you, but magic horses that hear their riders call days before the call is made don't? I urge you to put aside your prejudice and give these stories another shot. The political byplay and manipulation in <i>God Emperor</i>, <i>Heretics</i> and <i>Chapterhouse</i> is some of the most brilliant literature I've read. And it resolves the central theme of the story, concerning the mutability of the future as a paradox with the immutability of prescience. You've got that far. DON'T give up now!
Sorry for going off topic everyone, but I had to put this to Seafoam; Dune is second only to TCTC in my library!
The only difference between light and dark is the ability to tell the difference.
dlbpharmd wrote:Remember who SRD told us in LFB were most susceptible to leprosy? Old people and children, as I recall. Joan's fear of Roger catching his father's disease wasn't irrational at all, when taken in the context of the story.
It's entirely possible that my position as a father clouds my opinion.
The difficulty is that with the possible exception of AIDS, leprosy is the least infectious of all communicable diseases. If I understand correctly, any one leper is highly unlikely to transmit it except through open lesions infected with the bacillus. A leper whose disease is in remission, and who protects himself and others with proper hygiene and prevention (as Covenant learned to do), is no particular danger of infecting anyone, even persons who live under his roof. Joan overreacted; and if her wedding vows included anything like 'for better or for worse, in sickness and in health', she broke them as well. Not a performance brimming with strength.
Indeed; it seems to me that Joan didn't stick around long enough to find out anything about leprosy - she panicked on the basis of a common misconception, and scarpered without getting the details. I quite agree, hardly a pillar of loving commitment.
I suspect we will get all these answers now...
