Who was the Old Man who accosted Thomas Covenant in this world, and to whom Covenant offered his ring in Lord Foul's Bane? He seemed to know that Covenant was about to go to the Land.
I suspected he was "the Creator", but then again he made no appearance in the Second Chrons.
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Yeah, Linden saved his life at the start of the second chronicles. He told her that she would prevail, no matter how much he (assume that "he" is Foul) assails her, and that here is also love in the world.
It is never implicitly said, but I always thought that he was the creator.
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It is never implicitly said, but I always thought that he was the creator.
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You do not hear, and so you cannot be redeemed.
In the name of their ancient pride and humiliation, they had made commitments with no possible outcome except bereavement.
He knew only that they had never striven to reject the boundaries of themselves.
In the name of their ancient pride and humiliation, they had made commitments with no possible outcome except bereavement.
He knew only that they had never striven to reject the boundaries of themselves.
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As we now know from SRD that both the Creator and Foul are projections of Covenant's soul and psyche, the answer lies within there.
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Let's say, that TC's inner forces and emotions (this is a fantasy, after all) took on a creative aspect and created the Land, the Creator, Foul and all out of himself. They were real and imaginary at the same time. A paradox. White gold.
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Hmmm. What I got from reading TCTC was that Covenant believed that both the Creator and Foul are projections of Covenant's soul and psyche. That belief allows for the paradox while not making it necessarily the truth.
When the man with a 45 meets the man with a rifle, you said the man with a pistol is a dead man. Let's see if it's true.
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I assume we won't. Mr D has said more than once that the existence or non-existence of the Land and its affiliates is no longer an issue of interest. It always seemed to me that the resolution at the end of the first chrons was that it makes no difference whether the Land is real, because TC's reaction to it is real. That suggests to me that we will never know definitively whether the Creator/Foul/the Land are figments of TC's imagination in any sense.
Yes, I prefer my doxes one at a time, too. A pair of them is too much of a good thing.Darth Revan wrote:I grow weary of paradox's.
Halfway down the stairs Is the stair where I sit. There isn't any other stair quite like it. I'm not at the bottom, I'm not at the top; So this is the stair where I always stop.
I hope it never does get explained as it is one of the most interesting aspects of the book, and I have a feeling an explination could kill off some enjoyment.CovenantJr wrote:I assume we won't. Mr D has said more than once that the existence or non-existence of the Land and its affiliates is no longer an issue of interest. It always seemed to me that the resolution at the end of the first chrons was that it makes no difference whether the Land is real, because TC's reaction to it is real. That suggests to me that we will never know definitively whether the Creator/Foul/the Land are figments of TC's imagination in any sense.
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After reading the first chrons, I always felt the "Old Man" to be the creator of the Land and it's Earth.
Yes, TC claims that it's a dream, thus making the Land and Earth false. However he says it's a dream to prevent himself from going mad... something he evidently fears.
But to us (the readers and lovers of the Land/TC and everything else) the Land is as real as our imaginations make it. Evidently it's very real (to us) or else KW and all it's discussions and dissections would never be.
Thus the creator is able to move through different planes of existence. Thus accosting TC and Linden to move things forward according to His plan. Much in the same mystery as to why the God of our world (for those who do believe
) chooses one person to have this (whatever!) experience over the next person.
SRD to me evidently believes in higher conciousness or higher power(s) because its so prominent in his writings.
The Old Man and Foul being part of TC's conciousness or subconciousness? Kinda like the ID of Dr. Morbius of that great Sci-fi movie "Forbidden Planet"? Who knows.
I suppose it's the same method of traveling from one place to another without leaving your body or your body leaving it's place where-ever it's at. I fergit what's that called. Astral Projection or something like that?
Yes, TC claims that it's a dream, thus making the Land and Earth false. However he says it's a dream to prevent himself from going mad... something he evidently fears.
But to us (the readers and lovers of the Land/TC and everything else) the Land is as real as our imaginations make it. Evidently it's very real (to us) or else KW and all it's discussions and dissections would never be.
Thus the creator is able to move through different planes of existence. Thus accosting TC and Linden to move things forward according to His plan. Much in the same mystery as to why the God of our world (for those who do believe
) chooses one person to have this (whatever!) experience over the next person. SRD to me evidently believes in higher conciousness or higher power(s) because its so prominent in his writings.
The Old Man and Foul being part of TC's conciousness or subconciousness? Kinda like the ID of Dr. Morbius of that great Sci-fi movie "Forbidden Planet"? Who knows.
I suppose it's the same method of traveling from one place to another without leaving your body or your body leaving it's place where-ever it's at. I fergit what's that called. Astral Projection or something like that?
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I third itdanlo wrote:I second that!
I had that thought too, Wayfriend. As ever with the Chronicles, something that seems blindingly obvious to one reader seems a colossal feat of guesswork to another. I'm with you on this; while I don't refute that it is perfectly obvious to "Amy", I'd like a little clarificationWayfriend wrote:We know? Pointers?amanibhavam wrote:As we now know from SRD that both the Creator and Foul are projections of Covenant's soul and psyche, the answer lies within there.
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