A Land of my own...
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The Leper Fairy
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Wow 
Living several centuries is not something most people have the opportunity to experience! A "full-technicolour surround-sound VR" movie to outshine any modern-day hollywood blockbuster
I have to say that I don't know quite how I'd cope with such a thing, but I think you have the right idea in finding some kind of creative outlet for your Arnagest experiences. Hey, is there any chance of you making your Aimanhyarin font available for download? I'd be interested in seeing the entire thing!
Living several centuries is not something most people have the opportunity to experience! A "full-technicolour surround-sound VR" movie to outshine any modern-day hollywood blockbuster
I have to say that I don't know quite how I'd cope with such a thing, but I think you have the right idea in finding some kind of creative outlet for your Arnagest experiences. Hey, is there any chance of you making your Aimanhyarin font available for download? I'd be interested in seeing the entire thing!
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Mystikan
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Leper Fairy: That hasn't happened yet, and I don't know what I'd do if it just stopped! I suppose that would mean I had "died" there, but not here, which is a possibility. (I wonder if I died here, whether I'd still be "alive" in Arnagest? That would pretty much put paid to Earth as a "real" world as far as I was concerned wouldn't it?!? - which is why I think my death will be concurrent in both; I might never be allowed to determine either world's reality/fantasy even to the grave!) But how I would cope with no longer having it... well, that would be a blessed relief on the one hand, but like losing much of my life on the other! I'd still have the memories of 300-odd years of life there, so the effect of those experiences on my personality (regardless of whether they're real or not) is something I cannot deny and would undoubtedly remain with me for life...
UrLord: I'm currently developing a web site dedicated to Arnagest, part of which will explain the Aimanhyarin language, grammar and script for those who are interested. The font, and a "Rosetta Stone" for using it will be on that site then. But as you can imagine, I have to work through all my old notes and diagrams etc. I have, throughout my life, had this bad habit of grabbing any odd scrap of paper and writing down, or drawing, what my last night's Arnagest experience was, or what I learned from it. The result is 30-odd years' collection of post-it notes, napkins, scrawled-on envelopes, and sundry bits of paper, all of which I have to work through to ensure the information on the site is as "authentic" as possible. Not to mention the 7.5 GB of images, text and Word doc files on my computer. But work is moving apace, and as soon as it's done and online I'll let everyone on the Watch know about it!
UrLord: I'm currently developing a web site dedicated to Arnagest, part of which will explain the Aimanhyarin language, grammar and script for those who are interested. The font, and a "Rosetta Stone" for using it will be on that site then. But as you can imagine, I have to work through all my old notes and diagrams etc. I have, throughout my life, had this bad habit of grabbing any odd scrap of paper and writing down, or drawing, what my last night's Arnagest experience was, or what I learned from it. The result is 30-odd years' collection of post-it notes, napkins, scrawled-on envelopes, and sundry bits of paper, all of which I have to work through to ensure the information on the site is as "authentic" as possible. Not to mention the 7.5 GB of images, text and Word doc files on my computer. But work is moving apace, and as soon as it's done and online I'll let everyone on the Watch know about it!
The only difference between light and dark is the ability to tell the difference.
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A Gunslinger
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This is the first time I have seen such a thread...and it casues me to write the great confession that only my wife has heard.
I ONCE had such a dream where, while I slept, lived about 10-12 days elsewhere. It took me 3 of those days to accept what was occuring.
I had a completely different existance complete with details mundane and vexing. I ate, slept, showered, wnet ot the bathroom, etc. While it was not exotic in the sense that our friend Mystikan describes, it was exotic in that it simply was. Mostly things felt the same as our world, but subtle changes such as a barber's pole being yellow and white rather than red would cause me fits.
I never could ascertain whether it was "real" or not; whether my love for alternate universe stories created the event OR my subconscious awareness of other places led me to like such stories. When eventually, I woke HERE I was a mess. Was it real?
It doesn't matter. The event caused me to make some changes in my life, and as a result I have a much fuller set of experiences no matter where I am.
I ONCE had such a dream where, while I slept, lived about 10-12 days elsewhere. It took me 3 of those days to accept what was occuring.
I had a completely different existance complete with details mundane and vexing. I ate, slept, showered, wnet ot the bathroom, etc. While it was not exotic in the sense that our friend Mystikan describes, it was exotic in that it simply was. Mostly things felt the same as our world, but subtle changes such as a barber's pole being yellow and white rather than red would cause me fits.
I never could ascertain whether it was "real" or not; whether my love for alternate universe stories created the event OR my subconscious awareness of other places led me to like such stories. When eventually, I woke HERE I was a mess. Was it real?
It doesn't matter. The event caused me to make some changes in my life, and as a result I have a much fuller set of experiences no matter where I am.
"I use my gun whenever kindness fails"
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Mystikan
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Gunslinger: You've hit the nail right on the head there. What matters is the EFFECT of the experience, not its reality. Whether Arnagest is real or not, whether your "alternate" world is real or not, is irrelevant when you consider how it affects who you are and what you become. As you say, your experience changed you and caused you to alter how you live your life. Arnagest has had much the same effect on me. I have "memories" of around 320-odd years of life in an alternate Universe, and the things I have seen and done there have played a major role in who I have become and what I am here on Earth.
One of those effects is immediately visible to anyone who reads this thread; the style and articulation of my posts in any forum is not like that of an average person. Much of my knowledge of how things work, the nature of time and space, how people think, and how material structures interact comes from Arnagest rather than Earth. I dropped out of high-school in Year 11, not even matriculating, and the only tertiary qualifications I have are a Dip. IT (Software Engineering) and Cert IV Workplace Education. Yet I have been able to hold my own in conversations with scientists who have PhDs in physics, chemistry, sociology and anthropology. How am I able to do that, if Arnagest is only pure imagination? Where does the knowledge come from?
The truth is, nobody can prove reality. The cornerstone of intelligent life is embodied in the concept of I think therefore I am. Consider what this means; your only link to reality is your perception of it, how you observe it through your physical senses, and what your mind makes of such observations. Reality is when two or more people perceive the same thing.
For instance, if a crowd of people all saw a flying saucer hovering over the Superbowl at half-time, say because a drug had been pumped into the air that caused them all to see it, nobody would be able to establish that the saucer did not exist. CNN might broadcast pictures that clearly showed no flying saucer was present (because cameras are not affected by drugs), but how do we know that the saucer wasn't digitally removed from the image? We all know the camera can lie (you only have to watch Star Wars to know that!), so the absence of the saucer from the camera images would not constitute proof that it did not exist. You could also argue that the "beings" in the saucer affected the cameras so as not to show it. And if anyone had the technology to synthesise a drug that caused such a large number of people to experience the same hallucination, they could also have the technology to cause a saucer image to appear on any camera operating in the vicinity - in which case, disproving the existence of the saucer would be effectively impossible.
Now, I'm not a solipsist, I don't say that reality is only in the mind. That matter and energy take specific forms outside of the realm of the mind must have credence for us all to perceive in a common way the world as we do. But I think that what we refer to as "reality" should encompass the realm of the mind as well as of time and space, because with our limited physical senses (and the instruments we use to convert other forms of perception into something perceivable by those senses (ie microscopes, EEG, radio-telescopes etc)), we cannot expect to comprehend the fundamental nature of the Universe.
Arnagest is a reality - to me. Whether it is real to anyone else on Earth is irrelevant. I cannot deny that my perception of Arnagest as it has been vouchsafed me has affected my being and understanding of reality, the same reality that you and every other person on this planet acknowledges. Your own experience has done the same to you. Both our alternate "realities" have their own existence, if not as a cogent facet of our common reality, but certainly as part of a Totality that also encompasses what we know as "reality".
There is a word for this Totality. It's called the nöosphere. The word was coined by the philosopher Teilhard de Chardin; look it up in Google for enlightenment. (Cut and paste the word from here or you can get the ö by holding down the Alt key and typing 148 on your keyboard.)
Earth is part of the nöosphere. So is Arnagest. So is the Land. And so is the world of your own experience. They may or may not be "real". But they are Total.
One of those effects is immediately visible to anyone who reads this thread; the style and articulation of my posts in any forum is not like that of an average person. Much of my knowledge of how things work, the nature of time and space, how people think, and how material structures interact comes from Arnagest rather than Earth. I dropped out of high-school in Year 11, not even matriculating, and the only tertiary qualifications I have are a Dip. IT (Software Engineering) and Cert IV Workplace Education. Yet I have been able to hold my own in conversations with scientists who have PhDs in physics, chemistry, sociology and anthropology. How am I able to do that, if Arnagest is only pure imagination? Where does the knowledge come from?
The truth is, nobody can prove reality. The cornerstone of intelligent life is embodied in the concept of I think therefore I am. Consider what this means; your only link to reality is your perception of it, how you observe it through your physical senses, and what your mind makes of such observations. Reality is when two or more people perceive the same thing.
For instance, if a crowd of people all saw a flying saucer hovering over the Superbowl at half-time, say because a drug had been pumped into the air that caused them all to see it, nobody would be able to establish that the saucer did not exist. CNN might broadcast pictures that clearly showed no flying saucer was present (because cameras are not affected by drugs), but how do we know that the saucer wasn't digitally removed from the image? We all know the camera can lie (you only have to watch Star Wars to know that!), so the absence of the saucer from the camera images would not constitute proof that it did not exist. You could also argue that the "beings" in the saucer affected the cameras so as not to show it. And if anyone had the technology to synthesise a drug that caused such a large number of people to experience the same hallucination, they could also have the technology to cause a saucer image to appear on any camera operating in the vicinity - in which case, disproving the existence of the saucer would be effectively impossible.
Now, I'm not a solipsist, I don't say that reality is only in the mind. That matter and energy take specific forms outside of the realm of the mind must have credence for us all to perceive in a common way the world as we do. But I think that what we refer to as "reality" should encompass the realm of the mind as well as of time and space, because with our limited physical senses (and the instruments we use to convert other forms of perception into something perceivable by those senses (ie microscopes, EEG, radio-telescopes etc)), we cannot expect to comprehend the fundamental nature of the Universe.
Arnagest is a reality - to me. Whether it is real to anyone else on Earth is irrelevant. I cannot deny that my perception of Arnagest as it has been vouchsafed me has affected my being and understanding of reality, the same reality that you and every other person on this planet acknowledges. Your own experience has done the same to you. Both our alternate "realities" have their own existence, if not as a cogent facet of our common reality, but certainly as part of a Totality that also encompasses what we know as "reality".
There is a word for this Totality. It's called the nöosphere. The word was coined by the philosopher Teilhard de Chardin; look it up in Google for enlightenment. (Cut and paste the word from here or you can get the ö by holding down the Alt key and typing 148 on your keyboard.)
Earth is part of the nöosphere. So is Arnagest. So is the Land. And so is the world of your own experience. They may or may not be "real". But they are Total.
The only difference between light and dark is the ability to tell the difference.