Ms Mary said:
Lebbick was a basically good man who was trying to do his duty and became a victim of the circumstances. He was set up in so many ways, as danlo points out
--Cannibalism aside:The reason Nyle came up, in my mind, after the last 3 posts on page 1 of this topic is that I believe Nyle was basically a good man who became a victim of circumstances 2. One of the most wonderful places 2 live in Mordant appears 2 b Domne-Nyle's father is a good and wise man, Quiss is a great anchor 2 a wonderful household, every1 gets along in the village, there seems 2 b more peace in Domne than anywhere else and all his bothers are good men. Maybe Nyle didn't have the opportunities or the attributes of his brothers: not as strong as Tholden, not as popular as Artagel, not as close 2 King Joyce & Queen Madin as Geraden and not as goodlooking as Stead, but he was taught great morals and as far as love and living arrangements go--literally "had it made". Every1 else is busy doing things: running the village, bumbling around the Congery, womanizing or swordplaying. Nyle is sort of the 4gotten kid who, left on his own, beats himself up by not knowing where he fits in in the scheme of things, has a bone 2 pick w/King Joyce 4 overlooking him, is madly in love w/a Princess he knos he'll never get and is pissed that Elega was almost betrothed 2 Geraden.
--Many of the characters in Mordant's Need r used by King Joyce as "Hopboard pieces" w/o them knowing it, but Nyle isn't nescessarily a game piece--he bcomes the proverbial "pinball" in the book. Yes he is basically a good person but once he attempts 2 fit in2 the scheme of things EVERY1 uses his weaknesses 4 their own good and events always end up hurting him. Poor Nyle! Used by Elega, literally blackmailed and threatened by Prince Kragen, beaten up by Geraden, ignored by Joyce, misunderstood by Terisa (4 awhile), faces Lebbick's wrath, used 2 lure Terisa away so the King's Monomach can attack her, set up by Eremis 2 totally discredit Geraden, abducted as bait by Eremis and heaven knows what horrible Master Gilbur did 2 the poor boy!!! **shudder**.
--Blinded by a love he can never have, convinced that Joyce doesn't like him, is crazy, and doesn't give a rat's arse about his Kingdom, and having no idea where he fits in. Events and people exploit all this, spinning his head completely around so he has no ideal of what's going on-portrayed as a rat and a really bad guy. Nyle wears his heart and his emotions on his sleeve only 2 have it handed back 2 him "bent, folded and mutilated". IMO Joyce REALLY messed up on/this 1!!! Tho Joyce is portrayed as part hero/part villian @ the end of the 2 books-if u look @ the way he treated and allowed Nyle's good heart 2 b abused the way it was--no amount of apologizing can ever make up 4 that and Joyce really IS a villian!!! King Dastard, King Bastard--checkmated by his own hand! Boo, hiss! Joyce is a CREEP!
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or as they say in The Wizard of Id comic strip "The King is a FINK!"
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--Is that what u've been SO patiently waiting 4 Ms Mary? Well there u go!
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