Will Thomas Be A Leper If He Ever Returns? *Spoilers*

Book 1 of the Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant

Moderator: dlbpharmd

Post Reply
User avatar
Revan
Drool Rockworm's Servant
Posts: 14284
Joined: Wed Feb 12, 2003 1:08 pm

Will Thomas Be A Leper If He Ever Returns? *Spoilers*

Post by Revan »

I said this question so that it doesn't totally give away the fact that Thomas Covenant might have already returned to us...

So say it is Thomas Covenant, will he be a leper?

I mean he was before he died...

But then again, what's the point, as Linden can use the Staff of Law to heal him?

Or is there going to be a reason or something stopping him from being cured?
User avatar
Gart
Elohim
Posts: 200
Joined: Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:26 pm
Location: Hampshire, UK

Post by Gart »

It depends on how he's been revived. I mean, his body was quite charred when last seen, it'd take some work to revive him, who knows what effects that might have. Then again, being blasted with wild magic might've burned his leprosy away.

Alternatively, if he's been scooped out of time somehow then anything goes...including causality.

In either case, given that hurtloam can fix his leprosy, there's no reason Linden can't use the Staff to do so. Unless SRD retrospectively says that the "banefire alloying" process he went through also melded his leprosy so thoroughly into him that there's no removing it?
...but in the morning, I will be sober
User avatar
Revan
Drool Rockworm's Servant
Posts: 14284
Joined: Wed Feb 12, 2003 1:08 pm

Post by Revan »

Scooped out of time? I doubt it... why has he got Jeremaih with him then?
User avatar
Gart
Elohim
Posts: 200
Joined: Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:26 pm
Location: Hampshire, UK

Post by Gart »

A fair point. I'm just playing time-travel guessing games without enough information. And "sccoping" TC out of a previous visit would probably be an arch-smashing event... but it does get around the need for resurrection.

On Jeremiah: I don't know, but it occurs to me that one possible reason for Jeremiah's pseudo-autism could be that his mind literally isn't there. Maybe he got mostly translated to the Land a long time ago (2nd Chrons) and has been stuck between worlds, only completing the transition and becoming whole now, as he seemed to be at the end of the book. It would explain his knowledge of Mount Thunder and Revelstone. Perhaps if that were so he could have affected things? To guide him to TC when he came back, by whatever means. Pure speculation I know. ;)
...but in the morning, I will be sober
User avatar
aliantha
blueberries on steroids
Posts: 17865
Joined: Tue Mar 05, 2002 7:50 pm
Location: NOT opening up a restaurant in Santa Fe

Post by aliantha »

Gart wrote:On Jeremiah: I don't know, but it occurs to me that one possible reason for Jeremiah's pseudo-autism could be that his mind literally isn't there. Maybe he got mostly translated to the Land a long time ago (2nd Chrons) and has been stuck between worlds, only completing the transition and becoming whole now, as he seemed to be at the end of the book. It would explain his knowledge of Mount Thunder and Revelstone. Perhaps if that were so he could have affected things? To guide him to TC when he came back, by whatever means. Pure speculation I know. ;)
But intriguing! I like this theory very much. It would indeed explain how Jeremiah knew enough about Mount Thunder and Revelstone (and the Arch of Time) to build them. And I suppose it is possible that Jeremiah went to "fetch" TC; now that I think about that last scene, that's not a bad description of what's happening. (Although I can't go back and re-read the scene -- I gave my copy of Runes to Romeo to get SRD to sign it next weekend....)
Image
Image

EZ Board Survivor

"Dreaming isn't good for you unless you do the things it tells you to." -- Three Dog Night (via the GI)

https://www.hearth-myth.com/
User avatar
Revan
Drool Rockworm's Servant
Posts: 14284
Joined: Wed Feb 12, 2003 1:08 pm

Post by Revan »

hmmm... I really don't see how Thomas having leprosy can be that important, or possible this time round.
User avatar
Gart
Elohim
Posts: 200
Joined: Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:26 pm
Location: Hampshire, UK

Post by Gart »

But...you started the topic! :?

In the grand scheme of things, it's probably not that vital, but his leprosy is a fundamental (if not the fundamental) of how TC views himself, and by extension, how he relates to others. So its presence or absence is relevant I think.
...but in the morning, I will be sober
User avatar
Warmark
Lord
Posts: 4206
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:27 pm
Location: Scotland

Post by Warmark »

But then again, what's the point, as Linden can use the Staff of Law to heal him?
would he not refuse anyway?
i mean he didnt want the creator to heal him.
But if you're all about the destination, then take a fucking flight.
We're going nowhere slowly, but we're seeing all the sights.
And we're definitely going to hell, but we'll have all the best stories to tell.


Full of the heavens and time.
User avatar
Sheriff Lytton
Giantfriend
Posts: 356
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:09 am
Location: Somewhere else

Post by Sheriff Lytton »

Gart wrote:Alternatively, if he's been scooped out of time somehow then anything goes...including causality.
Off topic as it is of me, I'm wondering... if he did get scooped out of time, who did it ?

My money's on Joan
"Nom"
User avatar
The Newbie
Servant of the Land
Posts: 3
Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2004 8:24 pm

Post by The Newbie »

im not being mean or anything but i kind of hope he is. now befor you all get worked up i hope he is because its how do i say this to put it bluntly its part of him if he does not have leprosy then he is just like any other cahacter in the book him having leprosy is part of his personality :lol:
User avatar
Usivius
The Gap Into Spam
Posts: 2767
Joined: Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:09 pm

Post by Usivius »

regardless if he does or does not have leprosy matters little. He is the person he is because he had it, and his personality was forever molded by the experience.
I think we will see many things in ways that we have never seen them before. The Final Chronicles are not just another series or continuation of a previous set of books. This is THE END, and to whatever context you take that, I think we are (to paraphrase SRD) in store for a wild ride...
~...with a floating smile and a light blue sponge...~
native
Elohim
Posts: 230
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:55 pm

Post by native »

Gart wrote: I don't know, but it occurs to me that one possible reason for Jeremiah's pseudo-autism could be that his mind literally isn't there. Maybe he got mostly translated to the Land a long time ago (2nd Chrons) ....Pure speculation I know. ;)
I think this is more than speculation. Roger says that he's been an empty shell for the last ten years.

But if you're looking for disembodied creatures from the second chronicles who might qualify as Jeremiah and his family, my money is still on the Croyel.
User avatar
wayfriend
.
Posts: 20957
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:34 am
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 6 times

Post by wayfriend »

(Debunking of the Jeremiah's-Mind-In-The-Land theory is here.)
.
Post Reply

Return to “The Runes of the Earth”