When SRD met the UK contingent

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When SRD met the UK contingent

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The long-awaited UK Elohimfest happened yesterday, with a record attendance of three - my good self, Nav and Gart. Ultimately it became an Elohimcoffee, since we spent the entire afternoon in Starbucks, and we were all a bit over-caffeinated, heh. Photos of that will come in due course, I just have something to sort out with my computer first. Gart and Nav also have their own photos.

So: After milling around Starbucks for hours, discussing all kinds of stuff, from the nature of Lord Foul's power to studying mucus, we ate some smell-free food at the pub across the street and made our way to the event. Apparently there were 150 tickets, but there couldn't have been more than a third of that number in attendance. After a horrific, bumbling introduction by a man who claimed to be a big fan but had evidently never read many of the books, SRD offered to do whatever we might request of him, including readings and so forth, but would rather just make it a Q&A. It soon became apparent that everyone else in the room was almost comically ill-informed - no-one, including the compere, realised the Last Chronicles comprise four volumes, for example. Several of the questions were ones to which we already knew the answers, mainly from the Gradual Interview, but occasionally some interesting snippets came to light. I'll post the ones I remember, and hopefully Gart and Na can add any I miss:

--In response to a predictable question about Covenant The Movie, SRD gave an interesting answer. We already know the Chronicles have been optioned, and we also know this doesn't indicate anything much. What was news was who has optioned it, and why. According to SRD, the people who optioned it are people who "don't need to make a Covenant movie - they could be making something else". One produced Saving Private Ryan, one produced Independence Day, and the screenwriter they've selected wrote the screenplay for Band Of Brothers. Again, SRD highlighted that these people don't need to make Covenant, but they want to because "they fell in love with the books as teenagers". They're fans. Allow me to illustrate: These people are so keen to keep the hypothetical film as faithful as possible that they are trying to pitch it to studios without revealing the plot. They know no studio would buy a story with Lena's rape in it, so they are taking the same approach as the Wachowskis apparently took with the first Matrix - they're putting together a beautifully painted storyboard so they can say "This is what it'll look like! Isn't it great?!". Sounds odd, but it worked for the Matrix.

--On a personal note, the talk by SRD's father which inspired him to write about a leper was the last time SRD saw him alive, and the letter Donaldson Senior sent SRD with details of leprosy was the last letter SRD received from him.

--I asked a question about SRD's writing technique: "I've read comments from you, probably in the Gradual Interview, that your role is to tell the story, to convey a story that needs to be told. When you use ideas or concepts like the Sunbane, Sandgorgons, the Lurker of the Sarangrave - do all these ideas just come to you or do you sometimes have to contrive them in order to facilitate the story?"
SRD's response here essentially amounted to "a bit of both". From time to time, he reaches a point in the story where he needs a particular thing to happen, but none of the characters are there to do it, and they have no reason to be there. SRD has a reason for them to be there, but that's not enough; the characters need their own reasons. In such situations, he writes to himself: "Dear Steve, boy you're really stuck on this one..." etc, until an idea eventually emerges. Sometimes it feels like the idea came from outside, sometimes he's aware of the process that formed the idea, but always he knows there's a part of his mind that will come up with something if he trusts it to do so. At this point he mentioned something he feared might be a Runes spoiler, but he handled it carefully and I will try to do the same. It shouldn't be a spoiler if I'm careful, but I'll black it out anyway.
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To paraphrase: In Runes, there is a phenomenon called a caesure (SRD pronounced this "seizure") which SRD chose from a selection possibilities - he has several ideas for achieving his aim in this regard. The aim in question was this: "I needed something to represent a particular dilemma faced by Lord Foul".
--Nav had a question, but didn't ask it :P

--Another point about writing: SRD always sets his books, even the mystery ones, in fictious worlds/cities because real places are too inflexible. He places things where he needs them to be, and if he can't do that, he can't write. For example, the layout of the Land isn't haphazard or random - every detail is where it is because that's where he required it to be in order to tell the story. On this note, he mentioned that the map of the Last Chronicles Land will be "vegetatively different" because Sunder and Hollian, who remade the Land after the Sunbane, had never seen a forest. They may have tried to create forests (or they may not) but it won't be the same as in the past.

--On creating the Land: When SRD conceived the idea of the Land, it was the antithesis of leprosy. He had a leper, and he created a world that is the logical opposite of a leprosy-induced hell. This theme of logic runs through the whole creation of the Land. The Lower Land, "where Foul's servants prowl", is physically lower than the Upper Land because that makes sense. Mount Thunder and Andelain are in the middle because it's logical.

--On creating the types of characters he does: Every writer across the globe will advise you to "write about what you know". SRD writes about characters who struggle because he knows about struggle. He is a person who struggles. However, he very deliberately avoids writing his own struggles into his characters.

--Advice for budding authors: Stretch yourself. One of the things that prevents a good author becoming a great author is that they write things they know they can write. SRD said you must always push beyond your boundaries and write in a way you're not sure you can, in order to achieve your best work.

--Several people have commented on the change in SRD's writing style over last 20 years - the fact that his language is less elaborate and extravagant. SRD is aware that "years of struggle" and lack of youthful vigour have pared down and simplified his style. He is simply not the same person who wrote the earlier Covenant Chronicles.


There may be others, but they elude me. As I said, photos will follow later this afternoon, once I've replaced a .dll file in order to connect my camera.
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I am soooo jealous!!!

Thanks for the post! :D
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Great report, Cov.
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Good stuff, thanks!
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Good write-up CJ.

One other point: SRD was asked a bit about whether he'd ever re-read his own work. His response was that he had gone back through both Chronicles, essentially to immerse himself in the Land. He went on to say that he'd been surprised, reading from a more mature perspective, that he couldn't fault the writing he'd done before.

He also made an amusing aside about spotting his own mistakes: Apparently in an early "Mirror of Her Dreams" Terrisa lived in a flat with a lot of mirrors and one window, through which she could watch the sunrise. And through which she could watch the sunset.
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Thanks guys! Sounds like you had a great time! And you gave us a great report! :D :D :D :D
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Thanks for the report, CJr. I'm looking forward to seeing the pics!
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Gart wrote:He also made an amusing aside about spotting his own mistakes: Apparently in an early "Mirror of Her Dreams" Terrisa lived in a flat with a lot of mirrors and one window, through which she could watch the sunrise. And through which she could watch the sunset.
:haha: I forgot about that!
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A couple of others that just came to me, though these are smaller:

--When SRD refers to his "office" he means a small, one-bedroom condo he uses so he can turn the stereo up to thunderous volumes.

--Book tours are "the biggest time-crucifier" he has encountered in years, and we would get the rest of the books a lot sooner if he didn't have to keep touring :lol:
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Thanks for the awesome info, CJ! So much to think about...

I like that they're using storyboards to pitch the hypothetical movie to studios. Hopefully the dream is inching closer to reality. I'm one of those that believe a Covenant film is worth making.
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Heh, just about recovered from my caffiene comedown. I think CJ and Gart have covered everything pretty well, bar some of the more obscure questions: "Looking at you tonight, I realise that you look a lot like how I imagined Covenant to look. Was that a conscious decision?" SRD: "Well no, I looked quite different 25 years ago." and questions that weren't really questions at all:"Did you know that when you first created Thomas Covenant that the character would split my family in two?" I sincerely doubt that SRD was aware of that, but it did trigger an interesting piece about how the reader is intended to believe that in the first Chrons, TC could "go the other way" and become really evil because of the nastiness of his 'real' life.

I think a good time was had by all, and I was pleasantly surprised to find that the room was very nearly full, indicating that there are at least another 130 or so potential Watch members in the vicinity of Manchester. We also discovered that referring to somebody called Darth in public will attract a few strange looks.

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Haha, that was a great line. He's a funny man 8)
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Arturia just reminded me in the Runes forum of another SRD comment, regarding comparisons with Tolkein on the basis of using a ring.

--Apparently SRD was aware in advance that would be cries of "Tolkien rip-off" but ultimately decided he needed the ring more than Tolkein did. The One Ring could have been a torque, or an armband, or any number of things, but SRD needed a wedding ring - he needed something representative of the bonds and commitments between two people.
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SRD's reason makes sense to me. Of course, it probably won't satisfy those who feel that everything after Tolkien was a rip-off, which is why I don't bother entering SRD/JRRT debates. Life's too short, and I've got better things to do...like reading the Last Chronicles.
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Nav wrote:We also discovered that referring to somebody called Darth in public will attract a few strange looks.
During the Queensland Elohimfest I mentioned 'Hierachy' in Fudge Shop and got a strange look.
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Dammit dammit dammit!!!!! DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really wish I could have been there... but it wasn't to be...

Great report!

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Nav wrote:We also discovered that referring to somebody called Darth in public will attract a few strange looks.
During the Queensland Elohimfest I mentioned 'Hierachy' in Fudge Shop and got a strange look.
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Calling each other by our on-line names in public can lead to both fun and confusion. 8) At Elohimfest, Calibaby kept asking me about "Fisk" and I couldn't figure out who in the world he was talking about --then it hit me -- he had misunderstood everyone calling a certain participant Fist. :lol:
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Hey! Where are those pics we were promised?
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Matrixman wrote:SRD's reason makes sense to me. Of course, it probably won't satisfy those who feel that everything after Tolkien was a rip-off, which is why I don't bother entering SRD/JRRT debates. Life's too short, and I've got better things to do...like reading the Last Chronicles.
*laugh* I just wrote an essay a couple of weeks ago that was contrasting Donaldson and Tolkien and got an A+ on it :-D
CovenantJr wrote:Haha, that was a great line. He's a funny man
lol! I agree!

You know...the more I read about Donaldson, the more I think I would really get along with him if I just randomly met him and didn't know he was some famous author (not that him being famous would have any real impact on my liking his personality...it's just that I wouldn't be a silly fan-girl is such a scenario ;) ) *grin* He reminds me a lot of my best friends, especially in the way he talks, his sense of humor, his honesty, etc. :? that just makes me want to meet him all the more.

And that is such a "silly fan-girl" thing to say :P
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Oh, SRD is someone who I think it'd be good to know too. But I'm sure there are tons of us who feel that way, and so I'm sure he keeps himself fairly private because of that, especially since he seems to be fairly private in general anyway.

It's always a shame to meet even minor celebrities and feel like there's some potential connection there, since there's virtually no chance of such a thing working out. Would be much easier if he were a twit. :)

But then again, I doubt a twit could write such awesome books.
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