A little game (not mallary because...)

[ZefaLefeLaH]

THis is a little game I thought about. It probably won't go over so well, but you never know.

Anyway, I hope everyone will play by the rules.

Here they are....

You can say anything you want.

But you can only post once every 10ish days.

If it is 01-09, you can post once.
10-19, once.
20-31, once.

The thing I think that is so cool about this is that some people will really want to post because it is dealing with something that they feel they have a say in and yet they already spoke. Maybe it will keep the thread more lean of the fat...

Anyway, I'm going to post my post for the 20-31 era....

I think Danlo is a punk because he could never let go of some kind of weird disagreement between us & he has always been difficult with me because of it. Everyone else tries to tolerate my madness, but he's the only one that never did. Do you think he is a wise man for being consistent or a jerk for holding a grudge for more than a year?


To prove my point, I think Nathan is cool now. It was probably his old avatar that just freaked me out. I really don't want to know if you are fat or ugly. I want to think of you all like characters in a book, that don't poop or have to eat, and seem to always be here even though I know you aren't. I think Brinn is really awesome and I seem to remember a time that we got into it, but I can't even remember what it was about. I like most all of the women on the board and I've had a very hard time in my life believing that women had mental worth in the world. I think this comes from my father, who was also very prejudice against blacks, and I've overcome both viewpoints that he tried to establish with me.

I also think that because of such things as my dad's misunderstandings, I was able to choose my own way. It might not always be the right way, and most certainly it is not going to be the most popular way. It will be based on facts that I obtain without care or concern at all for whether it is popular or not. If people think that the Yeti or Aliens might exist, so be it. I don't really give a rat. I don't buy it. I don't believe in ghosts or possession in this day & age. I find all that stuff a bunch of useless diversions from the real under truths. And if possession is real today, demons have certainly learned to calm it down & take control of people in power rather than some random girl in a random town. They'll handle someone that can continue their subtle agenda forward, not just wander about aimlessly.

I believe that there is a great deal of usefulness for science. I believe that we live in a golden age of technology in which we are able to adapt to it rather than be born to it. For instance, once we start plugging people's brains into computers that will be something else entirely. But we have been able to see everything from Vinyl records to 8track to reeltoreel to tape to CD and blue-laser DVD is next which can hold several movies on it all at once. This is the beginning of a new immersive quality of entertainment as there will be so much room available to a single disc. Entire tracks can be created for sensation VR, like touch probes and 105mm Film for VR glasses... IMAX on your face.

ANd so this is a very fun time to be alive. It is not so scary yet. We don't have the Minority Report's iris-scanner on every commerical board all over our cities that can report your location to police if they need to look for you... for whatever reason. I'm sure the Jews of WW2 Germany would have felt just as powerless, but for some reason it seems to remove any type of thought of escape at all when they can see you in the woods with a helicopter that has infrared sensing and by then it will simply be a sattellite or an unmanned 10,000ft flying recon craft. I think of terminator and all the terrible future possibilites & they seem to fit. Hal9000 seems very possible & that film was made before the first desktop was available to anyone at all.

I find society to be in a downward spiral. In the 60's-70's we watched Leave it to Beaver & Bewitched & Gilligan's Island & Brady Bunch & now all that has changed. Now we see Desperate Houswives & Queer Eye for the Straight Guy & our movies show people getting their heads blown off and rapes and almost always someone dies in a film. We have Fear Factor as entertainment as if we can't be surprised by life anymore. Our children spend time in front of a video game console instead of playing outdoors with eachother in person. We have the World Wide Web & yet by far the largest percentage of web pages in the entire world are pornography. I'm not saying it is 60 or 70%. Almost all of the web is PrOn. There are varying degrees of it. Tame, mild, to the worst possible imaginable. I've not seen that, but you could easily get from here to there if you wanted to. The yellow brick road of insanity is frequented by an alarming number of people. I've found that if you continue click on the worst image, a new window of even more terrible things will appear. I've probably achieved a 4 or 5 on the scale of 1-10. And let me tell you that the things that I have seen are at times so extremely disturbing that I cannot sleep it off & sometimes I have been haunted by these images or films for weeks at a time. I've reached my limit. I can't handle perversion past where I am at. But many teenagers today START!!!! where I ended. START!!!! That's just incredible. In fact, some of the most appalling things that I have ever seen in my life, they find to be extraordinarily funny. I'm talking about a man holding his butt open so wide that you could fit your whole leg in it, or a woman sucking a donkey. They find this hilarious!!!!

I am so happy that I live today, now, and that I knew America's innocence before we had heavy metal & rap telling us to worship Satan & beat our ho bitches. I like some of that music & I try to keep up to date, but Satan is very crafty. He pushes the envelope so slowly (he's immortal... doesn't matter to him if it takes 350 years) that we never even really notice it enough to take action. In the USA's history, there have never been spree killers until 1962 in Texas. Since then the strangeness has become more & more common. ANd now, it looks like we're reining in the terror. We've got the international & the domestic aggressions down for a time. But it will grow again. It always does. Just recently, we had the bloods & the crypts as extremely powerful organizations in the USA. Something new will happen. Be assured.

The worst thing to ever believe is that *WE* are in control of our destiny. We never are, were, or will be. And it will become worse & worse & worse. But wow, it sure was better than living on the farm in the 17th century to see a bicycle for the first time or whatever. Man, what a good ride this life has been!!!!

[Revan]

I think Zeph is cool and funny, now anyways

And a lot of what you said is true...

Oh look, hell had frozen over...

[Nathan]

I think Nathan is cool now. It was probably his old avatar that just freaked me out. I really don't want to know if you are fat or ugly.

Thanks, I'm not sure whether to take that as a compliment or an insult. Did it really make me look so fat?

I think you take a very dim view of humanity as a whole. If you only look at the bad things that happen you won't see the good.
Only in relatively modern times have instutions like the international red cross and other charities like it come into existence. Literacy and education rates are higher than they've ever been before. Most of us live in countries where we have a chance to affect the way our rulers make decisions (and who our rulers are).

I'm not so sure whether increased crime is a result of modern thinking or just a result of increased population, ease of travel, availability of easy ways to kill people, lack of effective deterrants, etc.

[Worm of Despite]

I'm pissed because I've got to return a router that didn't work--either because I'm too dumb to figure it out or . . . nevermind. Too dumb. I made my regular visit to Stile Project last night (I go for the crazy videos, usually). Ah, just another step in my desensitization.

[hierachy]

Right then, I'm not going to post until I have something really important to say!

[[Syl]]

Danlo's not a punk. In fact, I think he's a swell guy and consider him a friend. You're just going to have to expect that some people aren't going to like you, Zeph, and you have to know that the majority of it is your own damn fault.

Now, I'm not saying I don't like you. You're not my best bud, or anything, but you're an intelligent and interesting fellow. Basically, the kind of guy I'd invite to a party but wouldn't let crash at my house.

I read the Satanic Bible when I was in high school, and I really don't get how anyone could believe in that stuff. From what I understand, Satanists don't even really believe in Lucifer, they just believe in rebelling against what they see as a ridiculous religion. The gist being don't turn the other cheek, but strike the person down. That, and not washing and being all weird to impress upon others your personal power. *shrug*

Stile Project. Meh. The place just really doesn't hold my interest, despite the fact that an old friend of mine is heavily involved in the site. I think my reaction to the site falls into a weird gray area where I'm neither attracted nor repelled by it.

[ChoChiyo]

This is an interesting thread. So, you can talk about anything you want to--no holds barred, but you can only post in it once every ten days, so if you have something you want to say, you'd better be thorough because if you're not, you'll have to wait ten days to clarify or develop your ideas. Correct?

Well.

My thoughts tonight are of the rambling, pseudopsychological type, I guess.

I was thinking about people who irritate me. And I've discovered that most of the people who irritate me are those who are super-religious, as in the fanatic category or lunatics like NeoNazis or bullies who abuse others because they can and they enjoy it or control freaks and energy vampires.

On the whole, I like everyone. EVERYONE... In fact, sometimes I find it disturbing that I seem to have so little taste.

Religious fanatic people/energy vampires/control freaks: Here's what I find disturbing about them. They are so damnably sure that they know EXACTLY what God wants, is thinking, and wants everyone to do. How do they know? Do they get a freaking personal telegram every morning at 6:45 a.m. from the Lord, saying, "Today, I want you to go forth and spew bigotry and hatred because homosexuality is an abomination and all homosexuals should be stoned in the court house parking lot. And black people are the descendants of Cain, and therefore, are inferior to everyone else. And women should not work outside the home because they are taken from the rib of man, and therefore are to be subservient to him." And if God is sending out these telegrams, why is it always those ranting raving types that get them, and not someone rational? It doesn't have to be me! Just someone who can speak in a normal tone of voice.

I have an aunt--a judgmental, harsh woman who will not speak to her own daughter because they had a disagreement over something incredibly stupid several years ago. I don't even remember what it was, but I do remember it was stupid. She called me up when she learned that I had gotten a tattoo of a butterfly on my left wrist. it's small enough to be completely concealed by a quarter. She told me that no one with a tattoo would be going to heaven. And I said, "F*** it then, I don't want to go to a place that would exclude someone for such a ridiculous reason."

That made her quite belligerent, so I hung up on her.

So, of course, she broadcast to the entire family that I was rude.b And I suppose I was. I should have said good-bye before I hung up.

Mean people/bullies irritate me because they are basically cowards. They will attack and rip up those weaker than themselves or those unlucky enough to be in a subservient position to them. They do and say HORRIBLE things to others, but break down in hysterics if someone returns fire. What did they think was going to happen?

Fools.

Sometimes I wish I was a little less nice--and was not afflicted with my morality disability, which often prevents me from doing things that really should be done, and things that I would like to do, but that darn morality disability continues whispering in my ear that "nice people do not do things like that."

How I would love to drag a bully from his bed in the middle of the night and beat him with a stick until he cries like a little girl! But, alas, my morality disability would not allow me to do it. No matter how much the bloody twit deserved it.

Energy vampires. These are people who attach themselves to you and suck the very life from your bones. You don't realize what they are until you've already forged some sort of relationship with them. The next thing you know, they are calling you twenty times a day to tell you what cute thing their dog just did. Then five minutes later they call you again to tell you another cute thing their stupid dog did. And when you try to nicely tell them that you have lots of things to do, and don't want to be rude, but need some time to yourself so you can do them, they start to cry and ask why you don't want to be their friend anymore.

Ack.

I think the greatest thing that could happen would be if Geeks suddenly took over the world. Geeks are cool. Geeks have interesting things to do. Geeks are seldom bored because they're always thinking about something interesting--like translating the Bible into Klingon, or creating the entire world of Pern, in miniature, of paper machete and wire, or rerooting the hair of several old Barbies so they look like the entire ensemble cast of the Brady Bunch.

Those things are cool.

And Geeks are loyal and loving people. Of all the friends I've had in my life, it is the Geek contingent which is always, ALWAYS there for me when I need a friendly shoulder to lean on.

I sometimes wonder if that is because Geeks have been kicked in the teeth so many times by the "Jocks" or "Beautiful People" who feel superior to them, that they understand how it feels to be kicked and put down, and their gentle, compassionate, Spock-loving, Paper-machete-world-building hearts go out to anyone else who is in pain.

I would rather sit in my basement watching DVDs of the original Star Trek series and painting WarHammer figurines with one Geek friend than go to the south of France for a long vacation with 20 fashionable Plastic People who are too self absorbed to see past their perfectly shaped noses.

Long live the Geeks of the World! Long may they do what they do!

And I'm not just saying that because I'm a Geek myself. I really do believe it.

And cats. My thoughts about cats are that they should live five times longer than they do, and have the ability to give birth only twice during their lifetimes--and each time, their progeny should be limited to only 3 kittens, two of which are born sterile.

And someone should develop a species of cat that is about the size of a hamster, yet has all the attributes of a regular cat. Someone would get very rich if they were able to genetically engineer something like that.

Okay. I think that's about the limit of what is on my mind right now. Except that it's too bad that George W. Bush is president again. It makes me embarrassed to live in the United States to have someone like him in the White House, making us all look like fools and war mongers.

At least Bill Clinton could play the Saxophone. I don't think GW can zip up his own pants.

Note: My opinions are my own, and not expressed to anger or annoy anyone else. Just to make the frustrations inside my own head a bit more bearable.

The end.

[ZefaLefeLaH]

Speak about abortion. It will be treated as a delicate subject with many disagreements, but whether you are for a woman's choice or for a child's life, you will be accepted for your right to believe what you have chosen.

Speak about a current war. You can be pro-war or anti-war and while people may disagree strongly, you will be accepted for your right to believe what you have chosen.

Speak of homosexuality. Some people will be tolerant, others disgusted, and while people may disagree strongly, you will be accepted for your right to believe what you have chosen.

Speak of political affliation. In my country it is generally democrat or republican. People blame their woes on the party they have not chosen & overlook the faults of the party that they have chosen. But whomever you side with you will be accepted for your right to believe what you have chosen.

Speak of anything at all except one thing, Christianity & God, or you will be ostracized, belittled, ignored, or attacked for your beliefs. Why?

This is mostly due to Charles Darwin. Before Darwin, God was spoke about in school freely. Now, evolution is taught as a fact not a theory. The most educated and revered of our time are generally evolutionists. This is because they were taught throughout their lives that evolution is truth. Television Education programs (discovery channel, etc.) constantly refer to evolution, but rarely ever speak of God. People are told over & over & over again that science is right & God is a lie. Everywhere you go, in the workplace, at family gatherings, in the company of friends, and in forums like these, God is ridiculed and the religion of evolution is lifted to the high pedestal.

But it wasn't always this way.


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Many of the major fields of science were founded by Christians. This information was taken from the book Men of Science, Men of God by Henry M. Morris, Ph.D.


1. Johann Kepler (1571-1630) was the founder of physical astronomy. Kepler wrote "Since we astronomers are priests of the highest God in regard to the book of nature, it befits us to be thoughtful, not of the glory of our minds, but rather, above all else, of the glory of God.


2. Robert Boyle (1627-1691) is credited with being the father of modern chemistry. He also was active in financially supporting the spread of Christianity through missions and Bible translations.


3. Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) was one of the greatest early mathematicians, laid the foundations for hydrostatics, hydrodynamics, differential calculus, and the theory of probability. To him is attributed the famous Wager of Pascal, paraphrased as follows: "How can anyone lose who chooses to be a Christian? If, when he dies, there turns out to be no God and his faith was in vain, he has lost nothing--in fact, has been happier in life than his nonbelieving friends. If, however, there is a God and a heaven and hell, then he has gained heaven and his skeptical friends will have lost everything in hell!"


4. John Ray (1627-1705) was the father of English natural history, considered the greatest zoologist and botanist of his day. He also wrote a book, "The wisdom of God Manifested In The Works of Creation."


5. Nicolaus Steno (1631-1686) was the father of Stratigraphy. He believed that fossils were laid down in the strata as a result of the flood of Noah. He also wrote many theological works and late in his life took up religious orders.


6. William Petty (1623-1687) helped found the science of statistics and the modern study of economics. He was an active defender of the Christian faith and wrote many papers sharing evidence of God's design in nature.


7. Isaac Newton (1642-1727) invented calculus, discovered the law of gravity and the three laws of motion, anticipated the law of energy conservation, developed the particle theory of light propagation, and invented the reflecting telescope. He firmly believed in Jesus Christ as his Savior and the Bible as God's word, and wrote many books on these topics.


8. Carolus Linnaeus (1707-1778) was the father of biological taxonomy. His system of classification is still in use today. One of his main goals in systematizing the varieties of living creatures was an attempt to delineate the original Genesis "kinds." He firmly believed in the Genesis account as literal history.


9. Michael Faraday (1791-1867) was one of the greatest physicists of all time, developed foundational concepts in electricity and magnetism, invented the electrical generator, and made many contributions to the field of chemistry. He was active in the various ministries of his church, both private and public, and had an abiding faith in the Bible and in prayer.


10. Georges Cuvier (1769-1832) was the founder of the science of comparative anatomy and one of the chief architects of paleontology as a separate scientific discipline. He was a firm creationist, participating in some of the important creation/evolution debates of his time.


11. Charles Babbage (1792-1871) was the founder of computer science. He developed information storage and retrieval systems, and used punched cards for instruction sets and data sets in automated industrial controls. He was also a Christian with strong convictions and wrote an important book defending the Bible and miracles.


12. John Dalton (1766-1844) was the father of atomic theory, which revolutionized chemistry. He was an orthodox, Bible-believing Christian.


13. Matthew Maury (1806-1873) was the founder of oceanography. He believed that when Psalm 8:8 in the Bible talked about "paths in the seas," that there must therefore be paths in the seas. He dedicated his life to charting the winds and currents of the Atlantic and was able to confirm that the sea did indeed have paths, just as spoken of in the Bible.


14. James Simpson (1811-1879) discovered chloroform and laid the foundation for anesthesiology. He said his motivation to perform the research leading to this discovery was a fascination in the book of Genesis with Adam's deep sleep during the time in which Eve was fashioned from his side. He said his biggest discovery was finding Jesus Christ as Savior.


15. James Joule (1818-1889) discovered the mechanical equivalent of heat, laying the foundation for the field of thermodynamics. Joule also had a strong Christian faith.


16. Louis Agassiz (1807-1873) was the father of glacial geology and a great paleontologist. He believed in God and in His special creation of every kind of organism. When Darwin's Origin began to gain favor, Agassiz spoke out strongly against it.


17. Gregory Mendel (1822-1884) was the father of genetics. He had strong religious convictions and chose the life of a monk. He was a creationist and rejected Darwins's ideas, even though he was familiar with them.


18. Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) was the father of bacteriology. He established the germ theory of disease. His persistent objections to the theory of spontaneous generation and to Darwinism made him unpopular with the scientific establishment of his day. He was a Christian with extremely strong religious convictions.


19. William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824-1907) is considered one of the all-time great physicists. He established thermodynamics on a formal scientific basis, providing a precise statement of the first and second laws of thermodynamics. Lord Kelvin was a strong Christian, opposing both Lyellian uniformitarianism and Darwinian evolution. In 1903, shortly before his death, he made the unequivocal statement that, "With regard to the origin of life, science...positively affirms creative power."


20. Joseph Lister (1827-1912) founded antiseptic surgical methods. Lister's contributions have probably led to more lives being saved through modern medicine than the contributions of any one else except Pasteur. Like Pasteur, Lister was also a Christian and wrote, "I am a believer in the fundamental doctrines of Christianity."


21. Joseph Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) developed a comprehensive theoretical and mathematical framework for electromagnetic field theory. Einstein called Maxwell's contributions "the most profound and most fruitful that physics has experienced since the time of Newton." Maxwell rejected the theory of evolution and wrote that God's command to man to subdue the earth, found in the first chapter of the book of Genesis in the Bible, provided the personal motivation to him for pursuing his scientific work. He acknowledged a personal faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.


22. Bernhard Riemann (1826-1866) developed the concept of non-Euclidian geometry, which was used by Einstein in his development of the theory of relativity. Riemann was also a Christian and had hoped to go into the ministry until he got sidetracked by his interest in mathematics. He apparently made several efforts to prove the validity of the book of Genesis using mathematical principles.


23. Joseph Henry Gilbert (1817-1901) was a chemist who developed the use of nitrogen and superphosphate fertilizers for farm crops and co-developed the world's first agricultural experimental station. He thus laid the foundations for the advances in agricultural science which have provided the means for farmers to feed the large populations in the world today. Gilbert is yet another scientist with a strong faith and demonstrated this by signing the Scientist's Declaration, in which he affirmed his faith in the Bible as the Word of God and expressed his disbelief in and opposition to Darwin's theories.


24. Thomas Anderson (1819-1874) was one of the initial workers in the field of organic chemistry, discovering pyridine and other organic bases. Like Gilbert, he also signed the Scientist's Declaration, in which he affirmed his faith in the scientific accuracy of the Bible and the validity of the Christian faith.


25. William Mitchell Ramsay (1851-1939) was among the greatest of all archeologists. He acquired "liberal" theological beliefs during his days as a university student. However, as he began to make various archaeological discoveries in Asia Minor, he began to see that archaeology confirmed the accuracy of the Bible and as a result he became converted to Christianity.


26. John Ambrose Fleming (1849-1945) was the inventor of the Fleming valve which provided the foundation for subsequent advances in electronics. He studied under Maxwell, was a consultant to Thomas Edison, and also for Marconi. He also had very strong Christian beliefs and acted on those beliefs by helping found an organization called the "Evolution Protest Movement." He wrote a major book against the theory of evolution.


27. Werner Von Braun (1912-1977) was the father of space science. He wrote, ."..the vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."


28. Albert Einstein (1879-1955), formulator of the theory of relativity, which is one of the single greatest intellectual accomplishments in the history of man. Einstein was Jewish and thus did not follow in the Christian tradition of Newton or Faraday. He did not believe in a personal God, such as is revealed even in the Jewish Bible. Yet, he was overwhelmed by the order and organization of the universe and believed this demonstrated that there was a Creator.


So, many if not most of the major branches of science were founded by Bible-believing Christians. As a physicist I also find it intriguing that the five greatest physicists in history--Newton, Faraday, Thompson, Maxwell, and Einstein--were each outspoken in their belief that the universe was placed here by a Creator. Furthermore, four of the five were staunch Christians with firm convictions that the Bible is the authoritative Word of God.

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Is it not ironic that so many of these so-called educated people's greatest heroes of the past, whose lives impacted us so far beyond their time, and whose minds gifted our history and enriched our education by their acheivements are the very individuals that today would be ostracized, belittled, ignored, or attacked by your coworkers, family members, friends, and the people of this very forum if they uttered their viewpoints of Christianity & God? The very symbols of science regarded in an individual would be scorned for their beliefs!

Yes, but back in their day and age, they would not have scorned you. And more importantly they were not raised up with a bombardment of evolution in their lives. They had the choice to believe or disbelieve without evolution being touted as the only real choice through television, radio, newspaper, personal interactions, and the education system.

Many people who do not believe in God believe that a person is merely their genetic composition & experience and nothing more. That is to say, without a soul. If this is indeed true, then how can it be that when an "educated person" has taught evolution as a fact many times over the less educated that the person is anything less than more "experienced" with being told that evolution is the only truth with regard to the past?

If experience is the main determining factor in your life & throughout your life you hear the television telling that evolution is true, your family members, friends, coworkers, and the education system telling you that evolution is true, then how can that really be a choice. You have become your experiences.

[dANdeLION]

Hey, what a great game! I have a question, though; how many times can I post if I don't say what I want to? Anyway, I talk about God and Jesus all the time, and nobody ostricizes me. Okay, I admit they tried to stick my head in the sand once, but that was a long time ago......

[hierachy]

OK, I have something really important to say now!

[Cail]

Took you long enough...

[sgt.null]

i have a terrible secret, and i want to share it with you all. in ten days or more.

[CovenantJr]

You should know better, J.