Questions about heaven
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Gadget nee Jemcheeta
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Hmmmm...guess I gotta get more radical... 
Maybe I should get some pointers from Zeph.
I appreciate it folks, it's been a long, hard journey. If it wasn't for humor, I'd have had a gun in my mouth years ago.
I have a very hard time reconciling my feelings about the way I think things should be with my faith and my beliefs. I consider myself to be very lucky that I belong to a church (and Catholic at that) that accepts both visions.
Maybe I should get some pointers from Zeph.I appreciate it folks, it's been a long, hard journey. If it wasn't for humor, I'd have had a gun in my mouth years ago.
I have a very hard time reconciling my feelings about the way I think things should be with my faith and my beliefs. I consider myself to be very lucky that I belong to a church (and Catholic at that) that accepts both visions.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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And that's the point I was (ineptly) trying to make. I don't buy into the whole "streets paved with gold" thing. I believe in God, and I love God, but I hope that when I go to Heaven, I am with people that I care about (and my dog). It just seems that it would be boring floating on a cloud in a toga strumming on a harp.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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....and the beer flowed like wine....
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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dennisrwood
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Cail : free beer? i'm there. and only here am i not the most conservative! I bow to you.
we all could make this a paradise. there is a ton of resources being kept out of people's hands. but we must have a ruling system to tell us how bad the enemy is. because without poor people, there would be no rich people.
we all could make this a paradise. there is a ton of resources being kept out of people's hands. but we must have a ruling system to tell us how bad the enemy is. because without poor people, there would be no rich people.
Dennis....True, but without hitting the bottom, we truly never know what the top is, yes?
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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dennisrwood
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There's a lot more to life than monetary success Dennis. Having been dirt poor, I can honestly sayI don't ever want to be there again, BUT, I place a tremendous amount of value on happiness.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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[Syl]
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Topic split. Moved to the Tank under "The World: better or worse..."
"It is not the literal past that rules us, save, possibly, in a biological sense. It is images of the past. Each new historical era mirrors itself in the picture and active mythology of its past or of a past borrowed from other cultures. It tests its sense of identity, of regress or new achievement against that past.”
-George Steiner
-George Steiner
Thanks Syl.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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The episode is called 'The Hunt' from the third season.onewyteduck wrote:That was a Twilight Zone episode?Fist and Faith wrote:Duck, that's something like an episode of The Twilight Zone. The old guy and his dog died while hunting. When they got to the pearly gates, he was told that dogs weren't allowed in. He said, "If my dog ain't good enough for Heaven, then neither am I," and they continued on down the road. Eventually, they came to the real Heaven, which didn't look as fancy-schmancy. But dogs are allowed.
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Iryssa
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Cho, here's the verse you were talking about earlier;
"For now we see as in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully, just as I also have been fully known." ~ 1 Cor. 13:12, NASB
That's my favourite translation of it...
A bit off-topic, but this conversation makes me think of a hell-demension they mention on Angel and Buffy (must've been an inside joke; it happened two or three times) that has nothing but shrimp in it *grin*
"For now we see as in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully, just as I also have been fully known." ~ 1 Cor. 13:12, NASB
That's my favourite translation of it...
A bit off-topic, but this conversation makes me think of a hell-demension they mention on Angel and Buffy (must've been an inside joke; it happened two or three times) that has nothing but shrimp in it *grin*
"A choice made freely is stronger than one compelled"
- Stephen R. Donaldson's The Wounded Land
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- Stephen R. Donaldson's The Wounded Land
https://www.xanga.com/Iryssa