The Kemper Revisited...

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Sat May 17, 2003 8:12 pm

Whoa! Prothall gone bad!

Where'd you get that, Damelon?

Post by **Damelon** » Sat May 17, 2003 10:09 pm

danlo wrote:found this passage regarding The Kemper's age:
...prolonged in years far beyond even a Giant's span.
But even that doesn't help me w/my absolutely crazy theory that the Kasreyn is Lord Prothall who ventured above the Northron Climbs, fought and was prosessed by an arghule's coyell.

Not my theory Mhoram.

Post by **Ryzel** » Sat May 17, 2003 10:35 pm

Are there any connection between the arguleh and the croyel? There does not seem to be. The incident in WGW seems to have been an unprecedented event. (Otherwise the lore-wise waynhim would surely have known about it.)

Post by **Dromond** » Sat May 17, 2003 10:58 pm

Actually, I think they knew something. Once Linden (I think it was Linden) was able to focus and recognize the croyel for what it was, the Wahnyim knew just what to do.

Post by **danlo** » Sun May 18, 2003 11:48 pm

found this passage regarding The Kemper's age:

...prolonged in years far beyond even a Giant's span.

But even that doesn't help me w/my absolutely crazy theory that the Kasreyn is Lord Prothall who ventured above the Northron Climbs, fought and was prosessed by an arghule's coyel. As Foamy pointed out 2 me he'd have 2 b over 4000 years old. (does say that he came from across the seas, tho...)
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Since I wrote this I have been asked 2 xpound on this theory, well I told u it was whacked, but...

The idea is that after being safely out of range from the Fire-Lions in LFB, Lord Prothall decides 2 return to his place of origin in the Northron Climbs. He decides 2 live out his days as a hermit and ventures farther north than any of his people have before. He makes home in a cave near the Ice-fields and is either attacked by a group of arghuleh and a coyel jumps him or is posessed by a coryel in his sleep in his cave. As noble as Prothall is over the years the coryel blinds him and instills a major power-lust.

With it's power, and the xtention of Earthpower it takes centuries 4 the coyel to even begin 2 take over...when it finally does he finds a way to cross the seas.

I'll have 2 research if Lord Prothall ever was sucessful in creating vortexs but, compared 2 Linden he is about the same height as the Kasreyn, and if the Kasreyn's age is statius (from time of posession) they r about the same age. His fragility and ancient mein support this. Roughly a lone thaumaturge in this land could b developed from a staff-less, retired High Lord from the Land. It would seem that, mayb, some basis in Earthpower, combined w/the coryel's dark power, could create the type of achievments (Sandgorgon's Doom and the Sandhold, as xamples) The Kemper has wrought. If Webster's defines a thaumaturge as: a worker of miracles and magic, it just seems that a very high degree of power is required, both dark & light, to at least maintian the integrity of those creations over many years.

Why doesn't he recognize Covenant? Well 4 2 reasons, the coryel has finally blinded him, over millenia, so what he sees now is only depravity and power-lust. The second is that TC has drifted so far way. TC's Elohim spell, venom, lack of Earthsense, and deteriorating condition both here and in our world have rendered him almost invisible 2 the eyes of "power". Prothall also understood the white-gold 2 some degree a very, very, very long time ago...but I agree 4000 years is an incredibly long time...

(just random thoughts...)

Post by **caamora** » Mon May 19, 2003 1:33 am

Danlo, I have a question. Prothall may not recognize TC, but mighten TC recognize Prothall (Kasryen)?

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Mon May 19, 2003 1:42 am

OK danlo, I'm gonna have to insist that you spell croyel correctly at least once! At the very least, settle on one incorrect spelling!!

I've come up with enough theories that nobody agrees with to applaud this unusual one. Until someone shows me reason that they can't be true, I'll continue to believe them. In your case, the problem that you address, about him not seeming to remember Covenant, was my first thought. Your points are valid. The only problem I can think of off hand is if he seems to have good memory of other things that happened a looooooooong time ago. I'd have to read those chapters again, but I don't remember him mentioning much detail about forming of the Doom and Sandhold, or anything else.

Post by **danlo** » Mon May 19, 2003 2:48 am

oops! C-R-O-Y-E-L sorry!

TC was totaly out of it...maybe he did recognize him and can't bear 2 talk about it...(fishin' hard!

) all he could do was say, "Don't touch me."

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Mon May 19, 2003 2:53 am

I don't have a problem with Covenant not remembering the Kemper. It it's Prothall, he'd be so completely different mentally and emotionally that the physical resemblance wouldn't be noticable. I'm more concerned with Kemper not remembering the only bearer of white gold that anyone has ever heard of, who Prothall actually knew, though 4 millennia ago.

Post by **Dromond** » Mon May 19, 2003 2:57 am

Kaseryn is Prothall?
Sorry danlo, but...nah. I can't see it.

Post by **danlo** » Mon May 19, 2003 3:29 am

That's fine Dromond

...I really can't c it either...still let's xamine Kasreyn...

Post by **Dromond** » Mon May 19, 2003 3:32 am

Agreed. A fascinating character worthy of much discussion.

Post by **Damelon** » Mon May 19, 2003 3:35 am

One major problem with your theory Danlo. Prothall appears by name with the specters of the dead lords in Foul's throne hall.

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Mon May 19, 2003 3:38 am

Holy moley, good catch there Damelon!

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Mon May 19, 2003 3:54 am

Yes, that was a great catch!
Maybe he was one of the Unfettered Ones then?? As was suggested??

Post by **Dromond** » Mon May 19, 2003 5:50 am

I like the unfettered one theory...that was F&F, wasn't it?
A private vision of gold that leads him to Brathiarealm
where Kaseryn said is the only place in the world where gold is to be found.

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Mon May 19, 2003 7:44 pm

Hmm were they dead High Lords? Or past High Lords?

Post by **Damelon** » Mon May 19, 2003 11:59 pm

They were the scepters of the dead Lords. He recognized Kevin Landwaster son of Loric. Beside Kevin stood two other livid men whom he instinctively recognised as Loric Vilesilencer and Damelon Giantfriend. There were Prothall, Osondrea, a score of men and women whom Covenant had never met, never heard named. With them was Elena daughter of Lena. And behind and above them all rose another figure, a dominating man with hot prophetic eyes and one halfhand; Berek Earthfriend, the Lord Fatherer.

They were quite dead lords.

Post by **danlo** » Tue May 20, 2003 12:14 am

well now that that's cleared up---**runs and hides w/Lady Alif in Sandhold...

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Post by **Fist and Faith** » Tue May 20, 2003 12:54 am

Nice consolation prize, danlo! Lady Alif is hot!

And

And behind and above them all rose another figure, a dominating man with hot prophetic eyes and one halfhand; Berek Earthfriend, the Lord Fatherer.

reminds me of

When Lord Amatin spoke again, she emphasized her words intently. "Amok, what are you?"

Without hesitation, Amok replied, "I am the Seventh Ward of High Lord Kevin's Lore."

His answer threw a stunned silence over the whole gathering. Both Elders gasped, and Corimini had to brace himself on Elena's shoulder. A burst of wild emotion shot across Elena's face. Mhoram's eyes crackled with sudden visionary fire...."

Kevin's Watch

Kevin's Watch

The Kemper Revisited...