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In case you were just too shy to start your own thread. :D I wanted this for three reasons:

1) I'm interested in learning about beliefs, both for the heck of it, and so I know what people mean when they mention one.

2) Av said it:
Avatar wrote:We discuss christianity here as though it and aetheism was all that there was. Another perspective will be nice.
I've tried to get this point across at least a couple times, particularly when someone says there can't be any God, because God wouldn't do some of the things the Bible says.

3) You're really cool, and I'd like to see more posts from you.
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I agree. This is something I know very little about, and am willing to learn more. :)
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I'm interested in getting into some discussions about this too. I may be misunderstanding paganism, but from the pagans that I've dealt with, there seems to be a freedom of spirituality in it that surpasses a lot of other belief systems. Freeing spirituality and letting it loose into the day-to-day experience is one of the things I'd like to acheive in my lifetime.
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WOW! Hey, everyone- I appreciate the enthusiasm, and hope I can live up to your expectations ;). I'm just finishing up a hectic day at work now, but I will try to post some food for thought later tonight after my baby is safely settled in bed.

Some basics to start:

Paganism is an earth centered tradition derived from goddess and earth-worshipping societies that predates Christianity by thousands of years.

Paganism encompasses a great number of earth centered traditions including, but not limited to, Wicca, Drudism, Shamanism, and various other Native American traditions. All of these traditions have many separate traditions of their own- I've spent years studying them, and still have yet to brush the surface!

We are NOT "Satan worshippers." That term makes my hair stand on end. Satan is a Christian diety, and has no place in the Pagan religion. If someone tells you they worship Satan, and calls themself Pagan, they are either lying or very confused.

True Pagans do not practice "Black Magic". The term magick is used to refer to the manipulation of the natural forces around us to bring about positive change. We add the "K" to distinguish it from stage magic. The terms "White" and "Black" magic are not used by Pagans. Magick is accomplished through the intent of the user and Paganism strictly forbids the use of negative or manipulative magick of any kind. As a result of this, we are forbidden to cast spells to make someone fall in love with someone else, or to exact revenge on another person, so sorry, no love spells (that are person specific) on this thread. What we can do is cast a spell designed to bring love in general to a person, and whatever happens
from there, happens.

Pagans worship one divine creator, whom we see as having both a male and female aspect. Some traditions worsip the Goddess exclusively, although many worship both a God and a Goddess as dual and balanced aspects of the "One." Most of us also believe in the tenet that "All Gods are One God" meaning that we won't say to any other religion or culture "You are wrong, it's my way or the highway."

You will often hear Pagans refer to themselves as "Witches." Personally, I love the term witch, but others choose to call themselves Wiccan or Pagan to avoid the negative connotation the term witch has garnered throughout history. The word "Warlock" is an old Scottish term meaning "oath-breaker" and is not used. A male witch is a witch.

The central law of our religion is "An it harm none, then do as you will."
This is just another version of the Golden Rule. The practice of our religion stricly forbids the physical, mental, or spiritual harm of anyone or anything, including oneself. Some Pagans interpret this to mean no smoking, or drinking, etc, although I have not taken it to this extreme. We believe that harm that results from something we do, especially resulting from a harmful spell or negative magick will come back to haunt the spell caster three times over. It's called the Law of Three-fold Return, or the Law of Karmic Return, or simply the Law of Karma. Anything we do comes back to us, three times bad, or three times good. It's a great motive for trying to only influence the world in positive ways!

I'll be back on later, and maybe throw out a simple spell or two, and a little of the Wiccan Rede, or the laws we use to govern ourselves. Basically, this is a very non-dogmatic religion, and our rede is just a group of guidelines to use.

Again, it's great to see all the interest. Blessed Be to all of you!
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Thank you for taking the time to explain all of that. It was a very interesting read! I hope to find out more.

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Yeah, wow, everything changes when you start trying out magick and find out, contrary to everything you've ever been told ever by almost anyone, that it gets results.

Wow. Yeah, that shifts some perspectives.

Or doing a tarot reading that is so perfectly dead on that there's no way the 'it applies to everything' response stands up to it.
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My wife does tarot. Personally, it's never worked well for me. I do I Ching, though, and I've been told I am uncannily accurate.
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Post by Gadget nee Jemcheeta »

My man Crowley was into the I Ching, although he was a lunatic :) I've been a little interested, because it would be a great peek into a mode of thought that I don't really understand.
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..Alister Crowley..??..its been awhile since reading his stuff..His life was quite the exhibition therefore he was deemed the insane,,modern day lord Byron.yet,,he had some of the philosophical foundations well thought out and communicated..All of life can be symbolized as...!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? ad infinitum.
...At this juncture..I highly suggest that everyone expressing interest in this thread...pick up a copy of Susanna Clarke's "Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel" currently in the new releases at the local bookstore. It is Fiction, but a good read and gives one the sense of ' magik" referred to above. ..Crowleys writings,,again,,taken as background or where one person took alternate reality is good reading, but i didn't take his stuff all that seriously.
...As suggested above...there is a..." understanding" of consequences from ill aimed motives generating actions. No matter what you believe in..one can't escape the basic...being responsible for ones own actions.
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Sure, he was a nut, and sure, he was a drug addict, and sure, maybe he was an awful human being with little respect for the traditions he studied.

But he had an amazing grasp on the symbols and relationships between people. He was a genius, and an ass. :p
And a so-so poet at times.
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Crowley- interesting man, not what I would call a great role model..Thanks for the book recommendation, Lurch. I'll have to pick it up.

I'll start this out with some quotes (because I know how much Fist likes them;) )
We are not evil. We don't harm or seduce people. We are not dangerous. We are ordinary people like you. We have families, jobs, hopes, and dreams. We are not a cult. This religion is not a joke. We are not what you think we are from looking at T.V. We are real. We laugh, we cry. We are serious. We have a sense of humor. You don't have to be afraid of us. We don't want to convert you. And please don't try to convert us. Just give us the same right we give you--to live in peace. We are much more similar to you than you think." Margot Adler
"If you take the Christian Bible and put it out in the wind and the rain, soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone. Our bible IS the wind and the rain." Herbalist Carol McGrath as told to her by a Native-American woman.

"I don't think witchcraft is a religion. I would hope the military officials would take a second look at the decision they made." G.W. Bush (R), as Governor of Texas. Interviewed on ABC's Good Morning America, 1999-JUN-24. He disapproved of Wiccan soldiers being given the same religious rights as others in the military."


Just another reason I can't stand him.
"We should educate people that 'Witch' is not evil but ancient and positive. The first time I called myself a 'Witch' was the most magical moment of my life." Margot Adler.

"When one defines oneself as Pagan, it means she or he follows an earth or nature religion, one that sees the divine manifest in all creation. The cycles of nature are our holy days, the earth is our temple, its plants and creatures our partners and teachers. We worship a deity that is both male and female, a mother Goddess and father God, who together created all that is, was, or will be. We respect life, cherish the free will of sentient beings, and accept the sacredness of all creation."
Edain McCoy
These are some of the leaders of the neo-Pagan movement. They are some of the best in the field (except for that idiot Bush, of course). They say it better and more powerfully than I ever could.

I'm going to post our 13 Principles of Belief. This is just a loose group or rules we try to live by, not strict dogma. These were established in 1974 by the American Council of Witches.

Principles of the Wiccan Belief:

1. We practice rites to attune ourselves with the natural rhythm of life forces marked by the phases of the Moon and the seasonal Quarters and Cross Quarters.

2. We recognize that our intelligence gives us a unique responsibility towards our environment. We seek to live in harmony with Nature, in ecological balance offering fulfillment to life and consciousness within an evolutionary concept.

3. We acknowledge a depth of power far greater than that apparent to the average person. Because it is far greater than ordinary it is sometimes called "supernatural", but we see it as lying within that which is naturally potential to all.

4. We conceive of the Creative Power in the universe as manifesting through polarity-as masculine and feminine-and that this same Creative Power lies in all people, and functions through the interaction of the masculine and feminine. We value neither above the other, knowing each to be supportive of the other. We value sex as pleasure, as the symbol and embodiment of life, and as one of the sources of energies used in magickal practice and religious worship.

5. We recognize both outer and inner, or psychological, worlds -- sometimes known as the Spiritual World, the Collective Unconscious, Inner Planes, etc. -- and we see in the interaction of these two dimensions the basis for paranormal phenomena and magickal exercises. We neglect neither dimension for the other, seeing both as necessary for our fulfillment.

6. We do not recognize any authoritarian hierarchy, but do honor those who teach, respect those who share their greater knowledge and wisdom, and acknowledge those who have courageously given of themselves in leadership.

7. We see religion, magick and wisdom-in-living as being united in the way one views the world and lives within it -- a world view and philosophy of life which we identify as Witchcraft, the Wiccan Way.

8. Calling oneself "Witch" does not make a Witch -- but neither does heredity itself, nor the collecting of titles, degrees and initiations. A Witch seeks to control the forces within her/himself that make life possible in order to live wisely and well without harm to others and in harmony with Nature.

9. We believe in the affirmation and fulfillment of life in a continuation of evolution and development of consciousness, that gives meaning to the Universe we know, and our personal role within it.

10. Our only animosity towards Christianity, or toward any other religion or philosophy of life, is to the extent that its institutions have claimed to be "the only way," and have sought to deny freedom to others and to suppress other ways of religious practice and belief.

11. As American Witches, we are not threatened by debates on the history of the Craft, the origins of various terms, the origins of various aspects of different traditions. We are concerned with our present and our future.

12. We do not accept the concept of absolute evil, nor do we worship any entity known as "Satan" or "the Devil", as defined by Christian tradition. We do not seek power through the suffering of others, nor do we accept that personal benefit can be derived only by denial to another.

13. We believe that we should seek within Nature that which is contributory to our health and well-being.

See, nothing scary there!

This is a beautiful poem that sums up some of our practices and rituals for want of better words. It was introduced in 1978 by Doreen Valiente, but can be traced farther back than that in different versions.


The Witches' Creed
Hear now the words of the witches,
The secrets we hid in the night,
When dark was our destiny's pathway,
That now we bring forth into light.

Mysterious water and fire,
The earth and the wide-ranging air,
By hidden quintessence we know them,
And will and keep silent and dare.

The birth and rebirth of all nature,
The passing of winter and spring,
We share with the life universal,
Rejoice in the magical ring.

Four times in the year the Great Sabbat
Returns, and witches are seen
At Lammas, and Candlemas dancing,
On May Eve and old Hallowe'en.

When day-time and night-time are equal,
When the sun is at greatest and least,
The four Lesser Sabbats are summoned,
Again witches gather in feast.

Thirteen silver moons in a year are,
Thirteen is the coven's array.
Thirteen times as Esbat make merry,
For each golden year and a day.

The power was passed down the ages,
Each time between woman and man,
Each century unto the other,
Ere time and the ages began.

When drawn is the magical circle,
By sword or athame or power,
Its compass between the two worlds lie,
In Land of the Shades for that hour.

This world has no right then to know it,
And world beyond will tell naught,
The oldest of Gods are invoked there,
The Great Work of magic is wrought.

For two are the mystical pillars,
That stand to at the gate of the shrine,
And two are the powers of nature,
The forms and the forces divine.

The dark and the light in succession,
The opposites each unto each,
Shown forth as a God and a Goddess,
Of this did our ancestors teach.

By night he's the wild wind's rider,
The Horn'd One, the Lord of the shades,
By day he's the King of the Woodlands,
The dweller in green forest glades.

She is youthful or old as she pleases,
She sails the torn clouds in her barque,
The bright silver lady of midnight,
The crone who weaves spells in the dark.

The master and mistress of magic,
They dwell in the deeps of the mind,
Immortal and ever-renewing,
With power to free or to bind.

So drink the good wine to the Old Gods,
And dance and make love in their praise,
Til Elphame's fair land shall receive us,
In peace at the end of our days.

An Do What You Will be the challenge,
So be it in Love that harms none,
For this is the only commandment,
By Magick of old, be it done.

That's all for right now- I have a final exam review in 20 minutes, a final project and a final essay to write and a few more discussion questions to answer before the weekend. I'll be back with some easy spells later tonight or tomorrow, though. Bye for now!

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Oh, Fist, by the way
3) You're really cool, and I'd like to see more posts from you.
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Kym, have you ever looked into the Navajo religion? Their "sings" are incredibly beautiful.

I want to go to a Blessingway sing sometime.
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No, Cho, I haven't looked into Navajo specifically. I will try to soon though. I love to experience different religions and cultures, but unfortunately between school, work and my daughter, my time is so limited it is scary. Not to mention all the time I spend on the Watch...... :lol:
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JemCheeta wrote:Freeing spirituality and letting it loose into the day-to-day experience is one of the things I'd like to acheive in my lifetime.
Absolutely! I couldn't agree more. Although my definition of spiritual isn't recognized by many, I try to live it all the time. And here's yet another Fools Crow quote:
"Then there is an important difference between the powers that are related to secular life and those that are related to spiritual life," I replied.

"What is secular?" he asked.

"Life in the daily world as opposed to spiritual life."

He stroked his chin before he spoke. "There is natural power, and there is spiritual power, but in the old days my people did not separate daily life in the world from spiritual life. Everything was spiritual. We were soaked with it. It is only now that we see a difference. Our attitude was spiritual, and Wakan-Tanka and his Helpers were involved in everything we thought and did. This is the way it has continued to be with me and in the lives of other traditional people."
Kymbierlee wrote:Paganism encompasses a great number of earth centered traditions including, but not limited to, Wicca, Drudism, Shamanism, and various other Native American traditions. All of these traditions have many separate traditions of their own- I've spent years studying them, and still have yet to brush the surface!
I'm particularly fond of Shamanism. I've read some good books about it. Particularly the one I often mention, Fools Crow: Wisdom and Power, although I don't remember the word shaman being in it.
Kymbierlee wrote:We are NOT "Satan worshippers."
Yeah, right. That's the first thing every Satan worshipper says!
;) :LOLS:

Kymbierlee wrote:Pagans worship one divine creator, whom we see as having both a male and female aspect. Some traditions worsip the Goddess exclusively, although many worship both a God and a Goddess as dual and balanced aspects of the "One." Most of us also believe in the tenet that "All Gods are One God" meaning that we won't say to any other religion or culture "You are wrong, it's my way or the highway."
This is the quality that I admire most in any belief system. Hinduism seems to be this way also.

Kympierlee wrote:You will often hear Pagans refer to themselves as "Witches." Personally, I love the term witch, but others choose to call themselves Wiccan or Pagan to avoid the negative connotation the term witch has garnered throughout history. The word "Warlock" is an old Scottish term meaning "oath-breaker" and is not used. A male witch is a witch.
I'd rather be called mage or wizard. :mrgreen:

Kymbierlee wrote:I'll start this out with some quotes (because I know how much Fist likes them;) )
Hey, who let the cat out of the bag?! :-x :lol:

"If you take the Christian Bible and put it out in the wind and the rain, soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone. Our bible IS the wind and the rain." Herbalist Carol McGrath as told to her by a Native-American woman.
Cool! Not entirely unlike the one I quoted recently:
The heritage, the philosophies, the message that came from God through Nature to the Indian people, these are the same as what Jesus Christ means to Christians. God came through Jesus Christ and his disciples to the people just as He came through His agents in Nature to the Indian people. The latter is called paganism... Yet there is no difference. It is the same God. -- Allan Wolf Leg
And I love this, from Chief Seattle:
Our religion is the traditions of our ancestors -- the dreams of our old men, given them in solemn hours of the night by the Great Spirit; and the visions of our sachems, and is written in the hearts of our people.
4. We conceive of the Creative Power in the universe as manifesting through polarity-as masculine and feminine-and that this same Creative Power lies in all people, and functions through the interaction of the masculine and feminine. We value neither above the other, knowing each to be supportive of the other. We value sex as pleasure, as the symbol and embodiment of life, and as one of the sources of energies used in magickal practice and religious worship.
So Pagans are Taoists, eh? :D Parts of the poem stress this also.

7. We see religion, magick and wisdom-in-living as being united in the way one views the world and lives within it -- a world view and philosophy of life which we identify as Witchcraft, the Wiccan Way.
Reminds me of what Jem said above.

8. Calling oneself "Witch" does not make a Witch -- but neither does heredity itself, nor the collecting of titles, degrees and initiations. A Witch seeks to control the forces within her/himself that make life possible in order to live wisely and well without harm to others and in harmony with Nature.
This brought to mind my Highdrake quote:
Highdrake's mastery of spells and sorcery was not much greater than his pupil's, but he had clear in his mind the idea of something very much greater, the wholeness of knowledge. And that made him a mage.
And since I'm on the subject, Kym, have you read the Earthsea books? I pretty much guarantee you'd like them.

11. As American Witches, we are not threatened by debates on the history of the Craft, the origins of various terms, the origins of various aspects of different traditions. We are concerned with our present and our future.
Very nice. Let's not dwell on the past, especially the parts that some might take offense at.

Four times in the year the Great Sabbat
Returns, and witches are seen
At Lammas, and Candlemas dancing,
On May Eve and old Hallowe'en.
When are Lammas and Candlemas?


Thanks so much for all the info, Kym! :D :D
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Kym: Here's an excerpt from the Blessingway.

So beautiful

 
Hózhóogo naasháa doo...                                In beauty I walk
Shitsijí' hózhóogo naasháa doo...                      With beauty before me I walk
Shikéédéé hózhóogo naasháa doo...                 With beauty behind me I walk
Shideigi hózhóogo naasháa doo...                     With beauty above me I walk
T'áá altso shinaagóó hózhóogo naasháa doo...   With beauty around me I walk
Hózhó náhásdlíí'...                                             It has become beauty again
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Here's something else that's pretty cool




The Goal Of Indian Spirituality.

   

Respect means no interruption.
 



  
   Respect means no confrontation.

 



  
Respect means no accusation.
 



  
Respect means no "mocking,"
    Especially, no mocking of elders.

 



    Respect means no lies between us.
 



  
Respect means no betrayal of confidence.
 



  
Respect means no "ripping off."
 



  
Respect means no hoarding.
 



  
Respect means no "Lording it over" someone.
 



  
Respect  means no ordering around.
 



  
Respect  means no yelling in anger.
 



  
Respect  means no bad language.
 



  
Respect  means no name calling.
 



  
Respect  means controlling yourself.
 



  
Respect  is not a commodity.
 



  
Respect  is a way of being.
 



  
Respect  is in our chest and not in our hand.
 



  
Respect  is for all life.
 



  
Respect  is for every species in the world,
 including all four races.
 



  
Respect  is for all our relations.
 



  
Respect  is focusing on and dealing in "issues"
 and not "personalisms."
 



  
Respect  is focusing on "what " is right

rather than "who" is right.
 



  
Respect  means owning our own negativity

and not being a "Blame Shifter."

A "Blame Shifter" is one who projects or shifts

his own negativity onto someone else.

This is the process of bigotry, war, and genocide.
 



  
Respect  is keeping all lines of communication open

with those who have a different opinion,

and making a sincere attempt to let them be heard and understood.
 



  
Respect  means listening until everyone has been heard and understood,

only then is there a possibility for "Balance and Harmony
 



  
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Here's a quick and easy spell for protection of an object- usually a Book of Shadows or something private. By the way, no one try any heavy magic or contacting spirits, etc until we talk about circle casting and how to protect yourself. Simple spells like the one I am going to post won't get you into trouble, but trying something mor complicated can.

Trace a pentacle (a 5 pointed star, surrounded by a circle, with a single point upright) onto the object you wish to protect, and chant three times

" With this Pentagram I lay
Protection here both night and day.
And the one who should not touch,
Let his (her) fingers burn and twitch.
I now invoke the Law of Three.
This is my Will, so Mote it Be."

No serious harm will come to anyone who tries to invade your privacy as a result of this spell, but they should experience a momentary sensation of revulsion, or at least reluctance to further investigate your private books, papers or what have you.
All spells can be made better by lighting a candle befor starting the spell, and a good incense can really set the magikal mood. Until we talk more about candle color correspondences, white usually works well for just about anything. Also, magick is always more powerful if performed on the night of a full moon. The exception to these two is any type of banishing magic (banishing bad habits, weight loss, banishing negative thoughts, etc.) These work best during the night of a dark moon, and with black candles. I'll fill you in on more later. Feel free to ask any questions, anything I don't know I will try tolook up. This should be fun for all! Night!
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The Wiccan Rede

Bide the Wiccan Laws you must, in perfect Love and perfect Trust.
Live you must and let to live, fairly take and fairly give.

Cast the Circle thrice about to keep unwelcome spirits out.
To bind the spell well every time, let the spell be spake in rhyme.

Light of eye and soft of touch, speak ye little, listen much.
Honor the Old Ones in deed and name,
let love and light be our guides again.

Deosil go by the waxing moon, chanting out the joyful tune.
Widdershins go when the moon doth wane,
and the werewolf howls by the dread wolfsbane.

When the Lady's moon is new, kiss the hand to Her times two.
When the moon rides at Her peak then your heart's desire seek.

Heed the North winds mighty gale, lock the door and trim the sail.
When the Wind blows from the East, expect the new and set the feast.

When the wind comes from the South, love will kiss you on the mouth.
When the wind whispers from the West, all hearts will find peace and rest.

Nine woods in the Cauldron go, burn them fast and burn them slow.
Birch into the fire goes to represent what the Lady knows.

Oak in the forest towers with might, in the fire it brings the God's
insight. Rowan is a tree of power causing life and magick to flower.

Willows at the waterside stand ready to help us to the Summerland.
Hawthorn is burned to purify and to draw faerie to your eye.

Hazel-the tree of wisdom and learning adds its strength to the bright fire burning.
White are the flowers of Apple tree that brings us fruits of fertility.

Grapes grow upon the vine giving us both joy and wine.
Fir does mark the evergreen to represent immortality seen.

Elder is the Lady's tree burn it not or cursed you'll be.
Four times the Major Sabbats mark in the light and in the dark.

As the old year starts to wane the new begins, it's now Samhain.
When the time for Imbolc shows watch for flowers through the snows.

When the wheel begins to turn soon the Beltane fires will burn.
As the wheel turns to Lamas night power is brought to magick rite.

Four times the Minor Sabbats fall use the Sun to mark them all.
When the wheel has turned to Yule light the log the Horned One rules.

In the spring, when night equals day time for Ostara to come our way.
When the Sun has reached it's height time for Oak and Holly to fight.

Harvesting comes to one and all when the Autumn Equinox does fall.
Heed the flower, bush, and tree by the Lady blessed you'll be.

Where the rippling waters go cast a stone, the truth you'll know.
When you have and hold a need, harken not to others greed.

With a fool no season spend or be counted as his friend.
Merry Meet and Merry Part bright the cheeks and warm the heart.

Mind the Three-fold Laws you should three times bad and three times good.
When misfortune is enow wear the star upon your brow.

True in love you must ever be, lest your love be false to thee.


These Eight words the Rede fulfill:

"An It Harm None, Do What You Will"
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Cho- Those were beautiful. Thanks.
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And since I'm on the subject, Kym, have you read the Earthsea books? I pretty much guarantee you'd like them.
I'll look for them- I think you asked me before- I am rereading TCTC again, but I can take a break for the right books ;)

Candlemas and Lammas are Pagan Holidays.
Candlemas is celebrated on February 2, and is known as the "Festival of Lights." It represents the beginnings of the return of spring. (We celebrate groundhog day instead in the modern world- doen't have quite the ring to it, does it)

Lammas or Lughnasadh (LOO-nah-sah) marks the beginning of the last quarter of the Celtic year. It is traditionally celebrted on August 1st or 2nd. The festival is associated with the Irish god Lugh, or Samildanach, which means "he of many gifts". Lugh held funeral games in honor of his foster-mother Tailtiu, the goddess of agriculture who died while clearing the Irish forests in preparation for planting.

Both festivals celebrate the fruits of the harvest with games and contests and a magnificent feast. In this sense, the celebrations are similar to the American Thanksgiving holiday and the Jewish Feast of Weeks, or Shavuot.


Now I really have to go to bed- I have to be up at O Dark-thirty. I'll see you all tomorrow!
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