And i got 2 questions.
1: Why did Kevin attack Elena? I didnt see anything in her comand that could be interpreted as "Kill me mmmkay"
2: If covenant is transported back to the "real" world after the person who summons him dies, why wasnt Troy (oh i actually cried over what happened to him, not only being turned into a mindless slave but also his grief over elena) transported back after Atarian died?
PS: DONT ANSWER ANYTHING THAT COULD SPOIL THE REST OF THE BOOKS! I HAVENT READ THEM YET! IF THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS JUST COME UP LATER IN THE SERIES, JUST TELL ME THAT IT COMES IN BOOK WATEVER DONT GIVE IT AWAY.
PPS: Sry for my horrible spelling im very, very tired.
So i finished the Illearth war last night at 3 am (spoilers)
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1) ... adequately answered.
2) While the answer does not come up in the rest of the story, it is explained adequately by the author in the Gradual Interview, and in my opinion it is a spoiler so you may just want to keep thinking about it. (What Murrin calls "the theory" or where it comes from, I haven't a clue, but it's not anything like what the author explains.)
2) While the answer does not come up in the rest of the story, it is explained adequately by the author in the Gradual Interview, and in my opinion it is a spoiler so you may just want to keep thinking about it. (What Murrin calls "the theory" or where it comes from, I haven't a clue, but it's not anything like what the author explains.)
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yeah i know. but i usuly read in bed. Its not a problem most of the time but these are the types of books that you cant put down. So i read until i pass out. and yes Illearth War is so great it makes Lord Fouls Bane look just good when you compare the 2.
yeah i know. but i usuly read in bed. Its not a problem most of the time but these are the types of books that you cant put down. So i read until i pass out. and yes Illearth War is so great it makes Lord Fouls Bane look just good when you compare the 2.
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(There was no significance to my use of the word 'the'.)Wayfriend wrote:(What Murrin calls "the theory" or where it comes from, I haven't a clue, but it's not anything like what the author explains.)
Following that post, I looked it up in the interview (a pretty difficult task - darn thing brings up 'while' and 'destroy'), and found a reply I realised I'd read before and forgotten. You were right, of course.
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I agree. Some excellent stuff in LFB, to be sure, but TIW just freakin' ROCKS!!! Amok and Wildwood, by themselves, make it better than nearly every non-TCTC book.Wormz1 wrote:and yes Illearth War is so great it makes Lord Fouls Bane look just good when you compare the 2.
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Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest -Paul Simon
"I agree. Some excellent stuff in LFB, to be sure, but TIW just freakin' ROCKS!!! Amok and Wildwood, by themselves, make it better than nearly every non-TCTC book"
yeah. the story of hile troy is IMO the best part of any book. ever. when he tries to jump off kevins watch and mhoram slaps him back to his sences its just a great kinda moment
yeah. the story of hile troy is IMO the best part of any book. ever. when he tries to jump off kevins watch and mhoram slaps him back to his sences its just a great kinda moment
In my opinion, LFB is by far the weakest book in the series. I've had more people hand the book back to me unfinished and say, "Well, that kinda sucks". You're into the meat of the story now, enjoy!
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If it weren't for Lord Fouls Bane, there wouldn't be a story.
I did not find it weak at all, in fact when I fisrt read it, I was so satisfied, that it took me about a year to bother getting my hand on TIW.
In my opinion, it's the only stand alone book in the whole series.
I did not find it weak at all, in fact when I fisrt read it, I was so satisfied, that it took me about a year to bother getting my hand on TIW.
In my opinion, it's the only stand alone book in the whole series.
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a cabernet sauvignon
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a cabernet sauvignon
a bottle in the cellar
the kind you keep for a really long time
Of course it's the only stand-alone, but the books were written as a series.
Put it this way, I've been reading these books since the very earrly '80s. LFB is the only one I've only read twice. Every other one has got a much better story, and is much more gripping.
To each their own...
Put it this way, I've been reading these books since the very earrly '80s. LFB is the only one I've only read twice. Every other one has got a much better story, and is much more gripping.
To each their own...
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elena
of course in all this elena couldn't help what happened to her. she was the child of rape, or of TCs anger at the Land.
her path was laid out for her to follow.
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LFB is an excellent book
who can forget the fundamental question of ethics on which the first 6 books are written (in my opionion)
her path was laid out for her to follow.
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LFB is an excellent book
who can forget the fundamental question of ethics on which the first 6 books are written (in my opionion)
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I think some of you guys are undully harsh towards High Lord Elena. She was foolish, but not malicious. And even the determination that she was foolish is relative: she certainly was more foolish than Mhoram, but not more than Hile Troy, not more than Kevin Landwaster, not more than Covenant.
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Bannor's voice was almost inaudible through the loud lust of the Cavewights.
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Bannor's voice was almost inaudible through the loud lust of the Cavewights.
"We cannot permit this end."'
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I agree, somewhat.Tuvor wrote:She was foolish, but not malicious. And even the determination that she was foolish is relative: she certainly was more foolish than Mhoram, but not more than Hile Troy, not more than Kevin Landwaster, not more than Covenant.
She did what she could, with her particular passion, mixed with some despair that assailed many in the Land.
How can we blame that she almost damned the Land, when Covenant himself was THE one who almost damned it the most.
At least her character genuinely cared for Land and Life, whereas TC considered both as a burden.
Anybody with great power is liable to damn his/her world, even with the best intentions.
I find her one of the greatest character in the original chronicles, and her failure one of its greatest tragedy.
Could Mhoram have become what he was in TPTP, or come to his ultimate understanding about Covenant, without Elena?
High Lord Elena brings to mind Anele's comment: "[she] serves Lord Foul and knows it not..."
Her breaking of the Law of Death and subsequent end was the most devastating assault on the Land, even worse than High Lord Kevin's Desecration or the breaking of the One Forest.
Her breaking of the Law of Death and subsequent end was the most devastating assault on the Land, even worse than High Lord Kevin's Desecration or the breaking of the One Forest.
"This is the grace that has been given to you - to bear what must be borne."
I loved the character of Elena from the beginning, in all her disturbed weirdness. I choose to celebrate her for her valor, her mettle, her compassion and leadership. All right, so she broke the Law of Death. Admittedly, not the brightest move. She had a bad day, okay? 
I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it again: for me, the fall of Elena remains the single most devastating event in all the Chronicles (so far). I was in a dazed state for days after reading The Illearth War. I was walking numbly around and probably stumbling into things like TC himself.
Agreed!Revenant wrote:I find her one of the greatest characters in the original chronicles, and her failure one of its greatest tragedies.
I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it again: for me, the fall of Elena remains the single most devastating event in all the Chronicles (so far). I was in a dazed state for days after reading The Illearth War. I was walking numbly around and probably stumbling into things like TC himself.