LINDEN'S CHILD

Post by **Revan** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 2:29 pm

As far as I know, Linden has a young son, with a disorder I cannot spell. I was just wondering if anyone can tell me if that child is Thomas'. I would say he isn't, taking into account the problem that would arise if Linden had a child off a leper whom she'd only meet three times (which is the perception that the people of our world would conceive the situation to be). Another problem arises from the fact the there is no mention of a little leper in Linden, any where in the Second Chronicles; and the fact that Linden was able to tell both Hollian's pregnancy, and that the sex of that child (Milton) is male.

Then again, Stephen Donaldson has managed to make millions of people like a hero; who is a rapist (sixteen year old girl), betrayer (Elena), murderer (lost count after the first book), and (in the first chronicles) an all round moron. So It's not impossible to create some situation where Thomas being the father isn't logical. I'm sure there's going to be some sort of annoying paradoxical bloody solution growing of a tree some where or other.

Post by **danlo** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 2:39 pm

The rumors and snippets from various recent SRD readings hint that Linden has ADOPTED an autistic child. Like TC autistic childen tend 2 b very antisocial and may have highly repetitive behavior patterns (like VSE). Their drawings can b amazing, almost like looking in2 completely other worlds like, well, the Land.

I have worked with autistic children and have highly guestioned their label of "mentally challenged" I believe it might b the other way around...

The child is a wild and intriging concept: similar 2 TC in certain ways but may posess such special, potential, gifts as 2 stagger we poor hapless readers...

Post by **I'm Murrin** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 5:25 pm

Wow, thanks for reminding me about the photographic memory and drawing ability autistics have - Now I can guess a little more about the opening of the third chrons...

Post by **Dromond** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 9:47 pm

Imagine an Earthpower with regained strength, the havoc on the Land,(both good or ill) that could insue when Earthpower and autism meet.

Post by **Revan** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 9:43 am

Would any of you like it more if the child was Thomas'.

Post by **Revan** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 9:44 am

Speaking of, anyone want to bet that the child is called Thomas.

Post by **Reisheiruhime** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 10:33 am

Oh, god no! Anything but that, please. Name it Drool, I don't care. But not Thomas.

Oh, but it's ok if the kid is Thomas'. That I can live with.

Post by **Romeo** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 10:36 am

I think I posted this in another thread, but that was a while ago.

I always thought that if there was another trilogy, it would involve Covenant's and Linden's son. I always thought it was significant that at the end of White Gold Wielder, Linden walked away holding the ring, but it was never described that she removed it from Covenant's finger in the real world (whereas she picked it up in Mount Thunder when Foul dropped it). I thought that if the ring could make that two foot jump, so could some one celled things - considering all the times they made love in the Land.

So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Donaldson pushed it to this other state of "reality". In the first trilogy, we were always left guessing as to whether the Land was real or not. In the second, it was pretty obvious, since another real person came into the Land with him. Now in the third, the connection between the Land and the real world might be pushed again (or better defined). Remember that it was suggested that failure in the Land meant doom for both worlds - so I think there's always been a closer connection than was openly described.

Post by **danlo** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 12:28 pm

I would think that Linden moves away from nasty town asap. I think she would have 2: not only very bad memories, but the rumors will have already spread. Possibly 2 Utah, if Joan is indeed institutionalized it would make sense that her parents had the major hand in her placement-and Roger lives w/his grandparents. If Linden does adopt it would seem 2 me that she does this fairly quickly 2 cut down on real world/Land time difference. It also might b interesting if the child's name is Troy, or Kevin...who knos, it may b a girl...

However the snippets of the readings do indicate that somewhere around 5 years may have passed and that Roger is a very disturbed 17 (ish) year old. So who knos where Linden has been in the mean time and who knos if the child is really adopted or not? Would this mean that when "summoned" we would b looking at the far distant future of the Land? Or could the Law of Time have been broken or preverted somehow?

If so how?

Post by **Revan** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 1:08 pm

I would perfer if the child was Linden's and Thomas', and not just adopted.

Post by **Revan** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 3:08 pm

Does anyone concur with me.

Post by **[Syl]** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 4:57 pm

Doesn't really matter to me, but I'd rather see any issues with Roger resolved before dealing with any other of TC's offspring.

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 10:35 pm

Wait--so in the Third Chrons we have, presumably, an autistic child, and Roger??

Post by **danlo** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 11:01 pm

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 1:12 am

It would be interesting to see what happens when an immature and/or autistic child has the ability to wield wild magic (very haphazardly, I would assume)!

Post by **Revan** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 9:10 am

Is Roger definitely in the Third Chronicles then?

Post by **Romeo** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 1:31 pm

He was definately in the one chapter (believed to be chapter 1) that Donaldson read at the various convensions.

Post by **Skyweir** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 3:10 pm

i would be disappointed if the child was an adopted child ..

has someone seen somewhere that this is the case?

and still it could be TC's .. maybe she moved away to have the child and being 'old school' fearful of small town mentalities .. claimed the child as her adopted child to quell the nay sayers .. of which there seem to be many in 'hicksville'

it would be much more interesting if roger has a competitor to rival for his dads affections ..

isnt Linden supposed to be a carer of Joan's? i forget the low-down now .. anyone recall?

KaosArcana · Post by **KaosArcana** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 2:32 am

Skyweir:

i would be disappointed if the child was an adopted child ..

has someone seen somewhere that this is the case?

and still it could be TC's .. maybe she moved away to have the child and being 'old school' fearful of small town mentalities .. claimed the child as her adopted child to quell the nay sayers .. of which there seem to be many in 'hicksville'

No offense, Skyweir, but I'd be very disappointed if Linden had a
child by Covenant. Whether or not the Land is "real", we know it
has a separate physical reality from our world. Whenever he was
adventuring in the Land, Covenant's body was in the hospital or
lying at Haven Farm.

And Linden's leg was broken in the Land ... and healed supernaturally
quickly thanks to diamondraught, but she had no physical damage
when she came back to our world.

Even if she was pregnant in the Land, it was her Land-Body that was
pregnant, not the one in this one. Now if she finds herself pregnant
when she gets back to the Land, that would be interesting ...

But just having Linden have Covenant's baby in her normal world is
an idea that I just find to be really hoaky.

and still it could be TC's .. maybe she moved away to have the child and being 'old school' fearful of small town mentalities .. claimed the child as her adopted child to quell the nay sayers .. of which there seem to be many in 'hicksville'

A woman who can cast out a Raver from her body would have little to
fear from the scorn of "hicksville" townspeople. I'd find it to be a sorry
degradation in Linden's character to have her care about such things
now.

it would be much more interesting if roger has a competitor to rival for his dads affections ..

Eh. I thought someone said the third trilogy takes place 5-7 years
after the end of the 2nd series. I really don't want to see a 7 year
old kid with a starring role in the Covenant series.

And I don't think that having a second child would somehow make
Covenant love Roger any less. A parent can love more than one
child.

Post by **Skyweir** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 3:24 am

Kaos wrote:I'd be very disappointed if Linden had a
child by Covenant. Whether or not the Land is "real", we know it
has a separate physical reality from our world. Whenever he was
adventuring in the Land, Covenant's body was in the hospital or
lying at Haven Farm.

Are you saying because LA and TC never copulated in our physical world that this would breach the physical distinction between worlds?

Kaos wrote:And Linden's leg was broken in the Land ... and healed supernaturally quickly thanks to diamondraught, but she had no physical damage when she came back to our world.

and that would be because her leg was healed in the Land .. so naturally there would not be any damage on her return to our world .. much like when ever TC left the Land .. he would shave and then on his return he would return clean shaven as he left his world ..

Even if she was pregnant in the Land, it was her Land-Body that was pregnant, not the one in this one. Now if she finds herself pregnant
when she gets back to the Land, that would be interesting ...

yes it would be interesting wouldnt it? a very clever twist .. yet LA and TC seem to have a connection that overcomes the distinction between both worlds .. if not why did she bare TC's ring on her return to the Land .. that one element .. would infer that there is some overlap between worlds.

Kaos wrote:A woman who can cast out a Raver from her body would have little to fear from the scorn of "hicksville" townspeople. I'd find it to be a sorry degradation in Linden's character to have her care about such things now.

well it may not be a "sorry degredation on Linden's character" it may also be just too difficult to explain the parentage of the child .. either way .. whether it is or isnt a sorry degredation Linden is still human .. and a human who underwent intense growth in the Land from the days of killing her mother .. notwithstanding her attack on Ceer ..

Should she not have also have human flaws?

Kaos wrote:I thought someone said the third trilogy takes place 5-7 years after the end of the 2nd series. I really don't want to see a 7 year
old kid with a starring role in the Covenant series.

well that makes the time-line a little askew then doesnt it? if it is 5-7 years after her experience in the Land .. and only now she is purported to be pregnant .. oh no wait .. she is not reported to be pregnant but to have an adopted child .. so that would make the "children" if one was TC and LA's not that far apart in age ..

Had she returned from the Land pregnant .. or shortly thereafter .. then there couldnt be more than a 4-5 years between Roger and LA's child ..

anyway .. its all speculation .. and remains to be seen .. but as for me .. i think it would be a very interesting twist ..

Kaos wrote:And I don't think that having a second child would somehow make Covenant love Roger any less. A parent can love more than one child.

you are quite right! .. there is no issue with a parents love .. but for the aspect of sibling rivalry to appear .. there needs to be siblings

..

evenso .. methinks this element will still be involved if LA does have a child or an adopted child .. Roger will still be faced with a rival ..

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