LINDEN'S CHILD

[[Syl]]

Just a quick note, it would seem very strange for Linden to have TC's kid, considering TC's condition... the whole impotence thing and all. Not that I'm against it, just that it would be very hard to explain for more than societal reasons.

[KaosArcana]

Skyweir:

Kaos wrote:
I'd be very disappointed if Linden had a
child by Covenant. Whether or not the Land is "real", we know it
has a separate physical reality from our world. Whenever he was
adventuring in the Land, Covenant's body was in the hospital or
lying at Haven Farm.


Are you saying because LA and TC never copulated in our physical world that this would breach the physical distinction between worlds?

Exactly. No copulation with the bodies that exist here means that
they can't have a kid here. At least, to me.

and that would be because her leg was healed in the Land .. so naturally there would not be any damage on her return to our world .. much like when ever TC left the Land .. he would shave and then on his return he would return clean shaven as he left his world ..

But a broken bone leaves proof. Covenant in the first trilogy was
never able to verify the proof of his existence in the Land because
things would occur to have his physical condition match what it was
in the real world. Linden having had a broken leg in the Land would
show up as a healed break in her leg verifiable by X-Ray if things
that occurred in the Land's world could lead to results outside the
Land.

yes it would be interesting wouldnt it? a very clever twist .. yet LA and TC seem to have a connection that overcomes the distinction between both worlds .. if not why did she bare TC's ring on her return to the Land .. that one element .. would infer that there is some overlap between worlds.

Eh. I always figured she copped the ring from Covenant either knowingly
or unknowingly.

well that makes the time-line a little askew then doesnt it? if it is 5-7 years after her experience in the Land .. and only now she is purported to be pregnant .. oh no wait .. she is not reported to be pregnant but to have an adopted child .. so that would make the "children" if one was TC and LA's not that far apart in age ..

Had she returned from the Land pregnant .. or shortly thereafter .. then there couldnt be more than a 4-5 years between Roger and LA's child ..

Roger was at least ten in the second trilogy. He was a newborn in the
first series, and the second took place ten years after the first. If the
second trilogy takes place 5-7 years years after Linden's experiences
in the Land, then Roger is 17. Any kid that Linden had naturally would
be 7. That's a big age difference.

you are quite right! .. there is no issue with a parents love .. but for the aspect of sibling rivalry to appear .. there needs to be siblings ..

evenso .. methinks this element will still be involved if LA does have a child or an adopted child .. Roger will still be faced with a rival ..

Depends on if Donaldson has Roger appear in more than one chapter of
the new trilogy. Anyone know how well SRD can write teenagers?

[[Syl]]

Another note (and this kind of debate almost deserves a new thread of itself), the questions of substantiation from one reality to another... miraculous body-altering events are not unheard of. Remember, Covenant had a miraculous recovery from the horse-serum derived antivenin to which he had a violent allergic reaction. There was no medical way to explain it; it just happened. Such cases of spontaneous healing have occured before, and there are alternating theories about why, exactly, they happen, including mind over matter, divine intervention (faith healers), etc.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

The thing to remember is that both realities, the Land and TC's, are ultimately created and controlled by SRD. I am sure he can convince us that whatever he wants to happen can happen.

[[Syl]]

Depends on if Donaldson has Roger appear in more than one chapter of
the new trilogy. Anyone know how well SRD can write teenagers?

He's had a couple, himself, so I imagine he could do a decent job of it. Lena and Triock were pretty much teenagers as well, and both were well written, I believe.

[Skyweir]

brilliant sylvanus!! pure brilliance!!

the perfect example of the inter-relationship between the TC's 'real world' and the Land and its affects .. the anti-venin!!

but for the Creator's intervention on TC's behalf .. he would have PHYSICALLY died in our world ..

"There are more things in heaven and earth" Horatio .. and we do ourselves an injustice to fail to think beyond the linear and the concrete ..

[I'm Murrin]

Another breach seems to be the impotence thing - somewhere in the second chrons Covenant's thoughts hint that he hasn't been impotent since LFB...

[KaosArcana]

Skyweir:

brilliant sylvanus!! pure brilliance!!

the perfect example of the inter-relationship between the TC's 'real world' and the Land and its affects .. the anti-venin!!

but for the Creator's intervention on TC's behalf .. he would have PHYSICALLY died in our world ..

No it's not.

All that proves is the Creator has power in this world as well as the
Land. Heck, since he can't interfere with what's going on in the
Land, the Creator may have more power to affect things HERE
than he does in the Land.

It doesn't prove at all that anything that happens in the Land has
a physical consequence in this world.

[[Syl]]

Prove things can substantiate from the Land to TC's reality or prove they can't?

There have been examples given, if not fitting a burden of proof, that at least lean towards the idea that it's possible (and that is what we're talking about, right? nobody has an advance copy I'm not privy of?).

As far as the other side, it's generally impossible to prove a negative, and even more difficult to prove that something can't happen in sci-fi/fantasy. *shrug*

[Skyweir]

No it's not

.

i nearly choked on my coke!! LMAO!!

heh ..

All that proves is the Creator has power in this world as well as the Land. Heck, since he can't interfere with what's going on in the Land, the Creator may have more power to affect things HERE
than he does in the Land

well doesnt that go to the assertion that there is a relationship between the 2 worlds .. think about it for a minute ..

TC gave LA the ring in the Land .. not in his 'real' world .. on her return she still had the ring in her possession .. that was the interesting twist

very clever indeed ..

you mentioned that this goes to support the reality of the Land .. if she can carry back a physical item exchanged from TC to her .. then a conception in the Land .. being another physical exchange .. may also be carried back by LA to the 'real world' ..

and it is fantasy .. the laws of fantasy may be less stringent than the laws of physics

there is more to be gained by looking beyond the limitations of the physical ..

and at the end of the day .. its all still just speculation

a bit of 'armless fun

[Lord Mhoram]

Hmm, methinks Skyweir should stop drinking coke while posting. LOL

[KaosArcana]

Skyweir:

Great retort .. Kaos wrote:
No it's not
.

i nearly choked on my coke!! LMAO!!

heh ..

Heh. Thanks. I try.

Kaos wrote:
All that proves is the Creator has power in this world as well as the Land. Heck, since he can't interfere with what's going on in the Land, the Creator may have more power to affect things HERE
than he does in the Land


well doesnt that go to the assertion that there is a relationship between the 2 worlds .. think about it for a minute ..

TC gave LA the ring in the Land .. not in his 'real' world .. on her return she still had the ring in her possession .. that was the interesting twist

I remember going WTF when I read White Gold Wielder when that
first came out. I still think there was an opportunity for Linden to
consciously or unconsciously take Covenant's ring-- either when he
sent her back to the normal world at the end of _The One Tree_ or
when she approached his body upon returning to our world. (It's
been years since I read WGW, so I'll have to re-read it to see if
she had the opportunity or not.)

you mentioned that this goes to support the reality of the Land .. if she can carry back a physical item exchanged from TC to her .. then a conception in the Land .. being another physical exchange .. may also be carried back by LA to the 'real world' ..

and it is fantasy .. the laws of fantasy may be less stringent than the laws of physics

True. But that just feels like a cheat to me.

Like having SRD say over and over again, "You can't beat Foul with
force ... except on a Tuesday when you do the hokey-pokey before
doing the death blow."

He could do that, but would you be satisfied if he did?

[Skyweir]

I dont see the parallel here though .. it wouldnt be at all unsatisfactory .. to have one more connection between the 2 worlds .. and remember that TC told LA he would be a part of her now .. so maybe thats an inference that as she carries his ring .. or something else ...

a part of her .. or always be with her .. i forget exactly the frame of reference he used ..

its all cool with me .. and not in the least inconsistent with the 2 dimensions as they have been established by SRD thus far ..

i like it

[duchess of malfi]

I, for one, hope that the child is adopted. I think that would make for more interesting dynamics in the relationship between TC and Linden...

[Skyweir]

each to their own .. we will just have to wait and see