,,And Now,,something from the Town,,"Mostly Related.&q

[lurch]

…The media of recent has been respectful of 2005 being the 100th year anniversary of Einstein ‘s general theory of something or another. There were just so many and before one could grasp the merest understanding of one , olde Albert proclaimed another. Amazing. So, I am a-wonder over Lindens ability to break the fabric of space-time.

Its interesting to note her surgical skill progression thru-out Runes. From the start, its not even her surgical skills being of matter. Joan is all in the psychological. Once transported Linden is called upon for basic meat and potato surgery to save the Ramen. Stave’s beating within an inch of his life demands surgery at almost the molecular level. With only milliseconds of plus or minus error , Linden successfully finds the crack, the opening, the workable point between one moment and the next. I venture the thought that there is no finer seperation,,and , she was successful at it. The reduction in scale is there, and of what purpose can one suppose?

There are those who believe that there will a “ cost” to bare for breaking the space/time thingy. Linden kept things “ right” by bringing the demomdim with her. For now, that’s a pretty heavy price to pay in its own right. The up side is of course, the location and retrieval of the Staff of Law..yes, there has been discourse on the wisdom and whatnot of all of that,,but its all moot. Its kinda like,,would Albert Einstein have thought up E= MC hammered if he knew the atom and hydrogen bombs would follow?,,or how about nuculear( nuclear for the rest of the world) energy plants?..hhhhmmmm…Linden as Einstein…??,,or modern man in the atomic age?…In this sense, Linden is much like Convenant in that she could go either way.

Linden , by my estimate, has gone to the full extent in minutia with the Staff and White Gold. And that has been accomplished in book one of this series. I wonder if there is a “race” coming up leading to a “ Hiroshima” and or “ Nagasaki”?..Both have the white gold but only one is “ crazy”,,indeed.

Well, its all relative. And Linden is tasked to save her son. I for one , find the science-fiction aspect of Lindens ability to cut the fabric of space/time almost lost in the chain of events that it did occur. But, in thinking about it,,it may have been the biggest event of the whole book…………..MEL

[drew]

Okay...so you're saying (and please correct me if I missinterperated) that Linden going back in time, wasn't so bad, becasue at the Time, it seemed like the only thing to do?

Much like Einstein, even though the atomic bomb was the prodigy, still had to go though and figure out what he did?

If that's waht you're saying, I'm pretty much in agreement, except that I wouldn't go calling LInden a genius. The Ranyhyn told her, or seemed to tell her, the there's nothing in her imediate plans that she should be wary of...and her imediate plans were for time travel. She knew the staff existed in the past, she knew how to get to the past, she had the guy who lost the staff in the first place, going back to the psat, seems like the most logical thing to do!

I admit, that it was a small stroke of genius to take the demondim back to the future (he-he) with her, so as to not damage the fabric of time.


Although, if it were me I'd like to think that I'd try to find out were the staff was in the past, and find it in the present.

[lurch]

...Well,,Einstein found new " physics" where no one thought it to be. And by so doing, unseated alot of Newtonian beliefs...and Newton existed how long ago?..but it is the " return" that is All Linden's doing,,and she accomplished splitting the space time fabric by focused, thought and intent. The " how" to do it has been there all the time, just waiting to be figured out. Joan has been doing with out any awareness of it or its consequences and Linden discovered it along with an awareness of its consequences.

Forget the Staff for now.,,well not really. I'm just surfacing the allegorical parallels between Einstein and even the Oppenheimers et al and the Nazi German scientists and even the Russian scientists during the WW2 days of racing to be the first successful demonstrator of the splitting of the atom ( a momentary split of space time if you will),,and Lindens long route back to correct a error way in the past. That correction was the beginning of the new era in the Land.

I think the parallels are quite possibley intended by the author. The split of the Space Time is fraught with many dangers. Look at who is on board for the journey, the ur-viles. Look at the next generation " Roger". And somehow, Linden is to salvage her son from the ultimate peril.

Yes, she went back to find the Staff of Law,,but it wasn't where it was supposed to be. Einstein took a look at Newtonian Physics and found them not to be the case. New science was needed to explain repeated observations and findings that were outside of Newtonian physics. Linden split the smallest of small and there a new era began.

So, In the classic SRD sense,,retreiving the new found Staff , is still a very much a two sided proposition and questioning it is too late. Take hiroshima and or Nagasaki being blasted for an example. It happened. Thousands died. Yet Atomic Power remains a two sided proposition. Not long ago, within my own generation..the world was busy building atomic power stations as fast as they could,,well,,the rich industrial nations anyway. Today, not only is there the Ghost of Chernoble hoovering around, but now the " security" nightmare has awakened. ....Between Russia and USA there where enough nuclear warheads to kill everyone on Earth something like 70 times over..the insanity was recognized and now the two have been busy reducing the count downward as per agreement..but..the big fear is that the Russian ability to account for and safely store the nuclear material is rather lacking..again,,the double sided proposition. Its no wonder that Lord Three Mile Island right in the beginning tells Linden,,hey, I already got you..you already are serving me.
..Just some ponderage there. I open this thought up because Donaldson finally said in the GI,,that yes, the Sunbane et all, was analogous to the chemical control of Life,,ie insecticides, fertilizers,,etc, etc...So, the idea that the Atomic Age and its consequences seem to parallel rather well so far with Runes seems to be possible now...MEL

[Usivius]

it might also be noted that Einstein's theories about time are being serious challenged. There are a lot of scientists bending themselves to a new theory from Peter Lynds that time is not linear, but that each moment in time is but a snapshot of a moment.
(as I begin trying to convert the theory as I recall reading it a year ago from my head to this page, I find that I am not very proficient in doing so. So I will not. Oh wait, let me websurf and find something...)

(OK, I got something...)

Lynds refutes an assumption dating back 2,500 years, that time can be thought of in physical, definable quantities. In essence, scientists have long assumed that motion can be considered in frozen moments, or instants, even as time flows on.

"There isn't a precise instant underlying an object's motion," he said. "And as its position is constantly changing over time -- and as such, never determined -- it also doesn't have a determined position at any time."

Nor does time flow, Lynds says. One implication of Lynds' work is a really hard to wrap a mind around. If he's right that there are no instants in time related to physical processes, then there is no such thing as a flow of time, because such a flow inherently requires progression through definite instants.
So are we all frozen in time and space? Impossible, he says.

"If the universe were frozen static at such an instant, this would be a precise static instant of time -- time would be a physical quantity."

Suffice to say that this was brought out to serious concideration in 2002. Perhaps SRD has also read this and is using it...
But then again, he has said before he has had the story in mind for a long time and likely he is using Einstein's models rather than Lynds'..

Ok, nevermind... go on to the next post...

[Warmark]

My head has just exploded thanks to this time talk.

[lurch]

…There is a problem,,if I recall correctly, about Lynd’s hypothesis..he says what Time surely can’t be,,but puts forth little provable what Time is. And,,again, if I recall correctly, neither did Einstein actually define Space in either the Special or General Theory of relativity. What Space actually is ,,,hasn’t been put forth in a direct manner. So, without a clear Space,,what can be said about Time? Except that its all relative.

Interesting the concept of Space Time Fabric,,I have thought of that in metaphorical terms, and now I realize the possibility that it may be in the literal. String Theory,,which I think Lynd is involved in somewhere along the line, suggests an actual fabric of energy vibrating at various frequencies,,and we just happen to exist in the frequencies that,,well,, allow our type of existence to exist. Other type of existances,,current estimation is of around 11 dimensions, including those of our existence,, available to and for rent, if indeed those other frequency dimensions even allow for any recognizable existence at all.

SRD may be making reference to that by the terrible pain of being in infinite Time…like a million insects gnawing at your skin. The key word is infinite. What is “infinite”? Perhaps a Groucho, “ I’ll tell you when I get there!” is in order but maybe infinite is one of those 11 dimensions. When matter goes the speed of light it becomes energy. Space becomes infinite. Time stops…yes, at our frequencies,,but what about the others and the other side of the constant speed of light? The gnawing of a million insects on your skin indeed. He also gives tribute to the cold white nothingness. That has been used in Sci-Fi from the Twighlite Zone to Outer Limits to many a short story to Novels in describing what awaits one when leaving the current frame of Time….But SRD treats the Space Time Fabric as if it were indeed a cuttable fabric. And Linden performs the surgery. Yea, okay, the Ranyhin do it with ease and Esmer goes about unrestrained..perhaps both reflections of Universal truths that apply in our 4 dimensions of frequency. The Chaos and Order discussion in todays GI may apply.

I give kudos to Donaldson for an interesting description of being in infinite time. I mite have elaborated on with the “ Nude descending Staircase” reference. I suppose the insanity could be caught by either path or all of them. Again, the many stories in Sci-fi of two dimensional creatures popping up in our “ universe” and their inability to cope, serve to remind us of possibilities awaiting for us if we venture into other dimensions. Insanity Indeed. …MEL