Batman Begins

Post by **danlo** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:17 pm

That's true but

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do they have to redo the original? If they do I have a feeling that Nolan and Co. will, at least make it more interesting--and having more villians will be more exciting too, believe me I don't object to Two-Face at all--like Arthur he has a great last name! But your right they will have to a bit of a remake to develop Gordon's character--Oldman's too darn good to waste.

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:19 pm

danlo,

Eh, I won't view it so much as a redo of the original as an entirely new movie.

If Two-Face is indeed in the next movie, I'll be pumped. As Scarecrow is Loremaster's favorite villain, Two-Face is by far mine. And Tommy Lee Jones in "Returns" sucked ass.

Post by **danlo** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:22 pm

I'd like to see a new Penquin too---DeVito's was very good, but, for some reason, DeVito grates on me (prehaps because he was such a convincing New York a-hole in Taxi) Yes Tommy really sucked...

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:25 pm

Oooh good point. The Penguin is an underappreciated villain IMO. Maybe he'll come in 3 - since Joker and Harvey Dent seem set up for 2.

Post by **danlo** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:28 pm

Who could we cast? Walken's too old and too scary to be imaged as the Joker...hmmm--too bad Oldman's Gordon he can do some freaky personality changes.

Post by **CovenantJr** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:33 pm

I disagree about the Joker. Jack Nicholson seems to be viewed by many a movie fan as the definitive Joker, just as Michelle Pfiiffer is generally the definitive Catwoman. If I were the one making a new Batman trilogy, I'd try to avoid repeating anything from the established franchise. There's absolutely no reason we can't spin ahead a couple of years and have the Joker dealt with "off screen" between films, with the mention of him at the end of Begins just included to establish continuity with the comics (I've been told Begins is very faithful to the plot of the comics) and to indicate that Batman isn't going to just put his feet up now Scarecrow etc have been repelled - and to illustrate Gordon's point about escalation.

Hmm, if this one is Batman Begins, will the next be Batman Continues?

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:38 pm

Junior,

If I were the one making a new Batman trilogy, I'd try to avoid repeating anything from the established franchise

I wouldn't - because everything from the established film Batman franchise blows. It needs to be redone.

There's absolutely no reason we can't spin ahead a couple of years and have the Joker dealt with "off screen" between films, with the mention of him at the end of Begins just included to establish continuity with the comics

Not gonna happen:

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the card was clearly a cliff-hanger for the next film, IMO.

Scarecrow etc have been repelled - and to illustrate Gordon's point about escalation.

True, plus:

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Scarecrow is still free, though I expect the Arkham inmates will kick his ass in the streets of Gotham.

Post by **Edge** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:39 pm

Lord Mhoram wrote:Oooh good point. The Penguin is an underappreciated villain IMO. Maybe he'll come in 3

A short guy in a tux with an umbrella fixation?

Yeah, I'm sure they're keeping that in reserve for a special moment...

Come in 3 ?... I doubt he'll come in 1...

Post by **danlo** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:41 pm

I agree about Joker Cjr. but I think Two-face deserves to be redone, properly, besides Havery Dent is integral to Gotham City Hall if I remember the comics correctly.

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:42 pm

Edge,

Penguin can either be a) really ridiculous or b) pretty cool. In the comics, he now owns a shady nightclub where he has his fingers in gambling and organized crime.

Come in 3 ?... I doubt he'll come in 1...

Not sure what you mean here. I meant in the third movie of the trilogy.

Post by **CovenantJr** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:46 pm

Alright, I can perhaps see Two-Face being re-done, since the most memorable aspect of that film was Carrey's Riddler. Two-Face isn't as entrenched in viewers' minds as the Nicholson Joker.

I still strongly doubt the Joker's return. I concede that the card was included to tantalise the audience, in addition to the functions I mentioned above, but that's just about getting people into seats when the next one arrives. I just can't see them re-doing the Joker. It'd be a courageous decision, as Sir Humphrey Appleby would say.

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:53 pm

danlo,

I agree about Joker Cjr. but I think Two-face deserves to be redone, properly, besides Havery Dent is integral to Gotham City Hall if I remember the comics correctly.

Yep, Dent was the hard-working DA that earns the nickname "Apollo" because he's Gotham's young crusader. While trying to take down the criminal empire of Carmine "The Roman" Falcone (who is done pretty poorly in "Begins," btw) acid is thrown in Dent's face by Sal "The Boss" Maroni, Dent becomes Two-Face, kills The Roman, etc. etc. *is something of a Batman nerd*

Junior,

I'm willing to bet that Joker will be in the next movie.

Post by **danlo** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:55 pm

Should Dent have been in Begins rather than Holmes' character, or is that out of order?

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:57 pm

danlo,

Hmmm. I don't remember anything about Dent's predecessor, which might be what the DA shot in "Begins" was supposed to be. I don't think having Holmes really ruins the continuity of the comics much. My guess is that in the next movie, Dent will come in as the new DA, and there might be some romance with him and Holmes - he shares her idealism but doesn't hide behind a mask like Wayne. (Plus, in the comics Dent was supposed to be very handsome.) Dent will try to take on Falcone or his successor, or even Joker. Two-Face is born. Just guesswork though.

Keep in mind also, both in "Batman: Year One" and "The Long Halloween" Dent works very closely with both Gordon and Batman.

Post by **danlo** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:00 pm

Sounds good--now let us pray: Dear Lord do not, I repeat not, let Tom Cruise be cast as Two-Face!!!

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:01 pm

danlo,

*envisioning Cruise as Harvey Dent*

*takes gun to head*

Post by **danlo** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:05 pm

Hey--Travolta as the Joker, Cruise as Harvey Dent--Come on Christian--whack those Scientologists-save Katie from a life of brainwashing!!! Sounds splendidly allegorical!

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:07 pm

LOL

Seriously though, Batman directors have casted some really terrible people in the past!

danlo, was it you who originally casted Bale as Covenant? I thought about that during "Begins," and I think he'd be great as the Unbeliever.

Post by **danlo** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:12 pm

I was second as Bannor painfully pointed out long ago! (Watch Reign of Fire he looks great in a beard and fantasy definately suits him--(he can also get terribly gaunt too as he did in The Machinist)--that movie gets hokey when McConnagehy shows up as Sgt. Rock--but the ending is great!)

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:16 pm

Sounds good. I'm still kind of leary about a Covenant film though.

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