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... More than one person in book seven? I've disucssed this on other forums, though generally none of my posts yield a good discussion on any, as most people in those forums seem more interested on what they want to happen rather than will happen.

I do think that Harry will be killing more than one person before Voltemort. Because he needs to get a taste of what killing does to you before he faces Voltemort. i think that is one of the issue's J.K Rowling will give Harry to deal with in book seven. It will likely be too late in the story to have any insight to how he feels about taking a life when he kills Voldemort. So I think he will kill a Deatheater or two before he faces Voltemort. It is no easy feat, to take a life (I am saying that purely on a theoretic basis', I assure you :D ) so i think Harry will need some experience on how to deal with, and come to terms with, taking a life.

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I think it's possible and maybe even probable that Harry will end up killing a Death Eater or two, I have a feeling, that's why Snape's Sectumsumpter (or whatever the heck it was called, no book in front of me) curse was in the Potions book, and specifically said "For Enemies". It seems that doesn't require as much focused hatred as the AK requires.

But, I don't see the final battle with Voldemort coming down to a traditional killing, like an AK or knife to the heart. I believe Voldemort will be taken out with Harry pulling him over a cliff, or into the Veil with him, or something to that effect. Or maybe something that could be better referred to as vanquishing.
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Darth Revan wrote: It is no easy feat, to take a life (I am saying that purely on a theoretic basis', I assure you :D ) so i think Harry will need some experience on how to deal with, and come to terms with, taking a life.
Clearly, Rowling agrees with you, so you may well be right. Personally, though (also, purely theoretically), I don't think it's so difficult to kill. Look how many people are in jail for murder, and that's with a whole lot of societal disincentives for murder. Harry may be a more civil personality than most of our real-world killers, but there'd be much fewer disincentives to killing Voldemort or a few Death Eaters.
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I don't see Harry killing anyone. JKR's writing is becoming more mature as her readers get older, but there's a limit to how far that can go. Also, remember that Dumbledore said that everytime one commits murder, a part of the soul is lost.
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I agree; I don't think Harry is going to be killing anyone, for the same reasons dlbpharmd gives.

Plus: it's explicitly stated in TOTP, that Harry believes killing Voldemort would be nothing more or less than murder.
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I think part of Dumbledore's training has been to help Harry understand Voldemort. Remember, a lot of their early lives have been similar, except for the subconscious memory of his parents' love Harry had. So that will probably bear fruit in the way Harry deals with Voldemort.

But, Harry has already killed a Death Eater: on top of the tower, as soon as he was released from the petrification spell. So killing as an option is not eliminated. Harry will have to decide between one evil life or many innocent lives.
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huh?! Harry killed a Datheater on the tower?... uh, I thought he just 'froze him'.. immobilized him. Where did it state the Deatheater died?...
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Usivius wrote:huh?! Harry killed a Datheater on the tower?... uh, I thought he just 'froze him'.. immobilized him. Where did it state the Deatheater died?...
I agree, I've been wondering about this for days, and want to find the time to reread those chapters, because I don't recall Harry killing a Death Eater either. I am sure, it would not have been glossed over in the writing if he had taken a life. It would've been spotlighted, and difficult to miss.
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Harry did not kill him-just disabled him.
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I think Harry and Voldie are going to embrace in an act of love and they will merge into one being, as they are both the same.

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Oh, sorry. It sort of worked in "A Wizard of Earthsea" (Ursula K. Leguin) mainly because the thing pursued was always described as a shadow, but I think it would be totally cheesy in this context.
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Cagliostro wrote:I think Harry and Voldie are going to embrace in an act of love and they will merge into one being, as they are both the same.

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Oh, sorry. It sort of worked in "A Wizard of Earthsea" (Ursula K. Leguin) mainly because the thing pursued was always described as a shadow, but I think it would be totally cheesy in this context.
LOL, going purely from the Miniseries on Scifi, which I understand bears little resemblance to the books. In the Mini, I believe the shadow was a part of Sparrowhawk, whereas Voldemort and Harry, are merely connected, neither is actually a part of the other?
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well, I wouldnt really consider killing voldemort to be "murder"...

the only person he knows he has to kill is Voldemort...i dont think he wants to even kill SNAPE, just make him suffer for awhile...but if he kills a few death eaters in the process, well, im sure theyre not gonna just be "minding their own business"...

Murder? nah


seems more like self defense and protection of others, to me


which isnt to say causing death in that way wouldnt do anything to yer mind..but...definately necessary deaths
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I was wrong. On page 597 it says Harry used Petrificus Totalus on the Death Eater, and on page 648 Scrimgeour tells Harry, "Somebody Stupified a Death Eater on top of the tower after Dumbledore died."
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theDespiser wrote:well, I wouldnt really consider killing voldemort to be "murder"...
Harry does. In OOTP there's a comment along the lines of 'murder in his future... either to murder or be murdered' - specifically in reference to Voldemort and the prophecy.
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sindatur wrote:
LOL, going purely from the Miniseries on Scifi, which I understand bears little resemblance to the books. In the Mini, I believe the shadow was a part of Sparrowhawk, whereas Voldemort and Harry, are merely connected, neither is actually a part of the other?
I haven't seen it, but I do wish to, despite what I have heard, which is that it sucks. There were some things and ideas bandied around both in the book and in discussions that when Voldemort zapped Harry that he left a bit of him in Harry, which is why Harry could read his thoughts for a while, and so forth. But yeah...I agree that they are not two parts of one whole, like in that book, and apparently, miniseries.

So I understand the miniseries covers the first two books (up through the Tombs of Atuan). Oh, I hope they at least get the Tombs right. I was very fascinated with that, and the second book had such a good mood to it.
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Edge wrote:
theDespiser wrote:well, I wouldnt really consider killing voldemort to be "murder"...
Harry does. In OOTP there's a comment along the lines of 'murder in his future... either to murder or be murdered' - specifically in reference to Voldemort and the prophecy.

yeah, thats what the last part of my post referred to...its not murder, but its still killing, and Harry's not really a killer, but he's gonna have to be, which he realises...so...

"murder" would entail harry killing a defenseless voldemort for no reason
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:lol: Nobody could kill Voldemort "for no reason".
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exactly my point
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