Can anyone born in the Landverse break the Arch with the WG?

[High Lord Tolkien]

Can anyone born in the Landverse break the Arch with the WG?

(For the sake of argument when I say "Land" I mean the whole world)

No one who has desired the WG other than Foul wanted to destroy the Arch.
The Ravers or at least Gibbon wanted it for himself to ravage the Land.
If Findail had gotten it he obviously wouldn't have done anything to damage the Arch.
The Kemper wouldn't have wanted to.
Foul is the only one that wants to.
And I think Foul is the only one who has the innate power to do it.

In the first series TC wasn't a threat to the Arch himself.
The threat was whether or not he'd give the Ring to Foul.
In the second series TC gets jacked up on venom but still Foul expected TC to hand him the Ring.
In the 3rd series Foul doesn't even *plan* on getting the Ring.
He tells Linden that it's all going to be done for him.
WTF does that mean?

Who else has the power to use the Ring in such a way to break the Arch?

Not Esmer, imo.
I don't think even a full Elohim like Kastanessen could do it himself holding the Ring.

TC is dead...........
Anybody else find this interesting or am I just way too tired?

[Stave]

This is a very good question, and I don't think that it will be easily answered. As for my own interpretation of the books, and I must admit that I read them at way to young an age to fully understand them, I gathered that the use of the white gold was an assertion of the will of the weilder. If this was the case, than only someone who willed the destruction of the arch of time could cause that destruction with the power of the white gold. From this perspective, it would appear that Foul would have been the only one who could destroy the arch as he was the only one who wanted to.

When thinking of the plausibilty of the aforementioned case, I remembered the incident with the wurm of the world's end in The One Tree. Cable Seadreamer gave his life to avoid Covenant's fighting with the wurm, and when Covenant does indeed fight the wurm, the arch is threatened. While, this would seem like Covenant was endangering the arch without wanting to, I think that there is more to it than the surface appearances.

There are a couple of possibilites in which Covenant could have sort of "indirectly willed" the destruction of the arch. One would be that it was Foul's desire to destroy the arch that came out in Covenant through the venom. Another would be that Covenant, in his trying to save his companions and use his power to fight the wurm, might have been willing to pay any price to defeat the wurm. If that was the case, then he could have subconciously willed the destruction of the arch.

As to Foul's not needing the white gold, he may think that he has found either a way to destroy the arch without the wild magic, or that somone else will wish for the destruction of the arch as well. Many people have suggested that they think Jeremiah is the person of the Creator in the Land. I am not sure where I stand on that, but if it is true, than maybe Foul thinks that Jeremiah will bring down the arch.

After writing all this I have come to two conclusions. One is that the next three books are going to probably shock us all. The other is that I need to go back and read the first and second chronicles again. I will probably find out that the use of the wild magic has nothing to do with will, LOL.

[High Lord Tolkien]

Thank you.
But wait, how could TC break the Arch fighting the Worm?
Why would it take more power than the Arch could withstand?
I think Wayfriend touched on this in another thread but I wasn't ready for it yet.

The Worm is within the Arch and so it is weaker than it, correct?
If the Worm awakens, the Earth is destroyed but the Arch is untouched and still exists.
But TC fighting the Worm with uncontrollable venom induced WM would destroy the Arch.
And again to defeat Gibbon weilding the power of the Banefire TC would need more power than the Arch could contain.

*Why* more power than the Arch could handle?
How can something exist within the Arch (ie: the Worm and the Banefire) that is stronger than the Arch itself?

Am I getting my two mythologies, the Worm and the Creator, mixed up?

The Arch is not made of 100% Wild Magic.
There is WM in all things "in every rock".

I no longer understand why a battle with the Worm or the Banefire would have broken the Arch.

I did when I first read it though.

[Buckarama]

It's been a while since I have read the books, althogh I plan to again very soon. ( I Have to dig them out of a box )

But I thought the worm threatened the earth and not the arch, but the distruction was still total. Maybe I'm wrong I'll HAVE to read them now. Thanks alot! LOL