I just had to share this weird dream I had last night. I was reading Fatal Revenant and the passge I was reading was where someone appeared in Revelstone who revealed himself to be Kevin Landwaster suddenly appeared like a ghost. He claimed that one minute he just completed the Ritual Of Desecration and the next minute he found himself in Linden's presence. Everyone suspected that it was not Kevin and he desperately wanted the Staff of Law.
Anyway, I have never had a dream where I was reading a book so it really has got me thinking today. Weird huh?
I had a weird dream last night!!!!!!!!!
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I feel so molested. Because you said you had a dream about the plot, it made me have a dream. But in my dream, all that riddling that was going on to keep people guessing was like a wedding veil. Once you knew how to look past it then it was so easy to see. Foul & Covenant are one now. The precursor is our friend in Runes, who must balance everything he does. But in the 3rd book when it is revealed that Foul & Covenant's souls are fused together, we can't know what to anticipate. It's worse than Covenant's indecision, because he'll make a decision and then the Foul part of him will reverse it.
Perhaps in the end the Ravers posses Foul-Covenant, but then Thomas uses the wild magic one final time and everyone fears that he is about to do the ultimate ROD but instead he puts himself, the ravers, and Foul inside the ring and it falls to the ground. But I didn't get that far in my dream, so I don't know.
Perhaps in the end the Ravers posses Foul-Covenant, but then Thomas uses the wild magic one final time and everyone fears that he is about to do the ultimate ROD but instead he puts himself, the ravers, and Foul inside the ring and it falls to the ground. But I didn't get that far in my dream, so I don't know.
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I had a dream about the Last Chrons a long time ago . . . somewhere between 10 and 20 years, I don't remember exactly. It tends to recur from time to time, with variations of detail. The gist of it is that after the sort of colossally weird plot twists one expects in dreams, the Arch of Time is broken — with one book still to go! The last book is rather short, fast-paced and confused, and seems to deal largely with Covenant (now alive again) and Linden trying to make their way back to the 'real' world from the void outside the Arch of Time, and trying to track down the escaped Lord Foul before he can start damaging other worlds himself. I forget just how it all turns out. But there's a city somewhere in there that looks like Fritz Lang's Metropolis under a glass dome, and I seem to remember bicycles, and after that it sort of gets weird.
But that's not as bad as the dream I once had where I saw one of my books in a bookshop for the first time — but it was in the remainder bin, marked down to $4.99. Can you say 'mixed emotions'? 'Cos I couldn't. It probably took me 15 minutes after I woke up to decide whether it had been a nightmare or not.
I did have a very cunning plan in that dream. It was what you might call a semi-lucid dream: I knew I was dreaming, but hadn't sense enough to do anything useful with the idea. I read the whole book through, trying to memorize it all, so I would be spared the trouble of actually making it up when I woke up. Needless to say, what I could remember when I did wake was absolutely unusable rubbish.
Other times I dream that I'm sitting at my computer, writing and writing and writing . . . then I wake up, and THEN it becomes a nightmare. Those dreams are every bit as mentally fatiguing as real work, and I usually can't do much of anything the next day — but I have absolutely nothing to show for it. Why, dear God, oh, why don't dreams have a Save function?!
But that's not as bad as the dream I once had where I saw one of my books in a bookshop for the first time — but it was in the remainder bin, marked down to $4.99. Can you say 'mixed emotions'? 'Cos I couldn't. It probably took me 15 minutes after I woke up to decide whether it had been a nightmare or not.
I did have a very cunning plan in that dream. It was what you might call a semi-lucid dream: I knew I was dreaming, but hadn't sense enough to do anything useful with the idea. I read the whole book through, trying to memorize it all, so I would be spared the trouble of actually making it up when I woke up. Needless to say, what I could remember when I did wake was absolutely unusable rubbish.
Other times I dream that I'm sitting at my computer, writing and writing and writing . . . then I wake up, and THEN it becomes a nightmare. Those dreams are every bit as mentally fatiguing as real work, and I usually can't do much of anything the next day — but I have absolutely nothing to show for it. Why, dear God, oh, why don't dreams have a Save function?!
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Whenever I read a book in my dreams I find that my mind can't invent the text as fast as I can read it so it just appears as gibberish. Then when I see that I'm reading nonsense words I recognise that I'm dreaming and so I try to think about Julia Roberts, but instead the realisation makes me wake up.
I dream about walking through Garroting Deep with the mighty Forestal Caer-ChoChiyo. She is carrying a gnarled staff in her hand, singing raunchy tunes, and wearing a white, lacy, skimpy little.... 
Damned alarm clock. Maybe if I hit the "Snooze" button Cho will come back to me...
Damned alarm clock. Maybe if I hit the "Snooze" button Cho will come back to me...
"This is the grace that has been given to you - to bear what must be borne."
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Watch out!! If you don't behave, I might have to use my awsome powers to turn you female again!!MrKABC wrote:I dream about walking through Garroting Deep with the mighty Forestal Caer-ChoChiyo. She is carrying a gnarled staff in her hand, singing raunchy tunes, and wearing a white, lacy, skimpy little....
Damned alarm clock. Maybe if I hit the "Snooze" button Cho will come back to me...
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Uhhhh.... Creator... I am sorry...
I just can't help the visions of camping on Rivenrock near an icy cold stream with a warm pot of graveling, and Cho in front of me, tugging at the sash of her blue robe, Staff of Law at her feet, about to say something...
I just can't help the visions of camping on Rivenrock near an icy cold stream with a warm pot of graveling, and Cho in front of me, tugging at the sash of her blue robe, Staff of Law at her feet, about to say something...
"This is the grace that has been given to you - to bear what must be borne."
Interesting that you had that particular dream, because for the last few days I've been thinking about Kevin and I wonder if SRD is gonna slap us with the monkey wrench and bring Kevin back to the land.
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"Honestly; by the end of the Chronicles Lord Foul isn't going to be the Despiser anymore (we all knew he had to come to an end), however I find it vexing that the only reason is because he feels unworthy of the title and resigns to let Linden take his badge, Illearth Stone, and the keys to Linden's Creche."-Revan
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"Honestly; by the end of the Chronicles Lord Foul isn't going to be the Despiser anymore (we all knew he had to come to an end), however I find it vexing that the only reason is because he feels unworthy of the title and resigns to let Linden take his badge, Illearth Stone, and the keys to Linden's Creche."-Revan
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storm wrote:Interesting that you had that particular dream, because for the last few days I've been thinking about Kevin and I wonder if SRD is gonna slap us with the monkey wrench and bring Kevin back to the land.
why Kevin?? why not Berek....after all he was a half hand too....
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Now I have reached the point in which I dream about SRD and the Land.
I actually dreamed about SRD. He was part of a really long and involved dream that make a lot of sense at a time. There was some stuff about SRD meeting ordinary people anonymously and when those people learned that SRD lived in his own house they thought he was squatting and having an illicit affair with his own wife. There were also two other people who were also suspected of an affair while the person they were supposed to have an affair with was their own wife. In my dream it was pure comedic brilliance.
Much later in the same dream Linden (a.k.a. me) was invited by Lord Foul (who looked like he did on the Fantay Bedtime Hour) to play a card game of the future of the world along with a gray, gaunt, awkward, twenty-something guy in gray clothes who I suppose was supposed to be Thomas Covenant.
The game begun by everyone having to put their big card on the table, as advised by Lord Foul who was the only one who knew the rules. Lord Foul put down the Illearth Stone. Linden put down the Ring of Love. Thomas Covenant put down the white gold ring. The next round was to pick up one of the cards but not the one the player had had in the first place. Lord Foul picked the white gold ring. Linden picked the Illearth Stone. Thomas Covenant had to make do with the semi-useless Ring of Love. Then everyone combined their decks of minor cards and Lord Foul dealt four cards to everyone to be placed right-side up on the table and then more to be held in the hand... That's when I woke up.
I actually dreamed about SRD. He was part of a really long and involved dream that make a lot of sense at a time. There was some stuff about SRD meeting ordinary people anonymously and when those people learned that SRD lived in his own house they thought he was squatting and having an illicit affair with his own wife. There were also two other people who were also suspected of an affair while the person they were supposed to have an affair with was their own wife. In my dream it was pure comedic brilliance.
Much later in the same dream Linden (a.k.a. me) was invited by Lord Foul (who looked like he did on the Fantay Bedtime Hour) to play a card game of the future of the world along with a gray, gaunt, awkward, twenty-something guy in gray clothes who I suppose was supposed to be Thomas Covenant.
The game begun by everyone having to put their big card on the table, as advised by Lord Foul who was the only one who knew the rules. Lord Foul put down the Illearth Stone. Linden put down the Ring of Love. Thomas Covenant put down the white gold ring. The next round was to pick up one of the cards but not the one the player had had in the first place. Lord Foul picked the white gold ring. Linden picked the Illearth Stone. Thomas Covenant had to make do with the semi-useless Ring of Love. Then everyone combined their decks of minor cards and Lord Foul dealt four cards to everyone to be placed right-side up on the table and then more to be held in the hand... That's when I woke up.
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Fully agreed. He is the poster-boy for letting your despair overcome you. I will be disappointed if he is left in that bitter state at the end of this series.Nerdanel wrote:Kevin could be said to be something of a recurring character who has had dialogue in both of the two earlier trilogies. Also, I think his story feels unfinished and he has a motivation to act in order to redress his past mistakes. Poor Kevin could use some redemption.
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In a way, I think Kevin wants to be in that emotionally wretched state... at the end of TPTP, when all the dead Lords - including the Old Lords and Kevin himself - manifest from the dead to urge Covenant to kill Foul, it is Covenant, with Foamfollower, who realizes that their own zeal and hate for Foul is what makes Foul strong, and that by letting go of that hate, that feeling of guilt and that despair they can defeat him; he helps them doing that through Foamfollower's laughter, and it seems that the Lords do let go of their hate, fear, despair, and all the bitterness and rage they felt towards Foul - as if Foul were suddenly no longer important.
Afterwards, in the Second Chronicles, we meet Elena - one of the dead Lords from the FC who urged Covenant to kill Foul - and although she may not have forgiven Covenant yet, she seems to be more or less at peace, and although worried about the Land, she doesn't seem to be despairing. Mhoram, too, who would have the greatest reason to feel despair - after all, his own dream of finding new Lore was perverted by Foul and turned into the Clave, and his own name has become synonymous of murder - is at peace, and does not despair. Vice versa, Kevin seems just as embittered now as he was at the end of TIW.
I think Kevin actually wants to feel guilty and embittered, albeit perhaps subconsciously, because he thinks that how he should feel after his actions, and the Desecration, caused so much death and torment. He's akin to those people who make one mistake, and rather than come to terms with it and try to make amends, prefer to wallow into their own guilt and self-loathing.
I doubt he'll ever manage to get free from that - unless a massive effort is done to "heal" his mind.
Afterwards, in the Second Chronicles, we meet Elena - one of the dead Lords from the FC who urged Covenant to kill Foul - and although she may not have forgiven Covenant yet, she seems to be more or less at peace, and although worried about the Land, she doesn't seem to be despairing. Mhoram, too, who would have the greatest reason to feel despair - after all, his own dream of finding new Lore was perverted by Foul and turned into the Clave, and his own name has become synonymous of murder - is at peace, and does not despair. Vice versa, Kevin seems just as embittered now as he was at the end of TIW.
I think Kevin actually wants to feel guilty and embittered, albeit perhaps subconsciously, because he thinks that how he should feel after his actions, and the Desecration, caused so much death and torment. He's akin to those people who make one mistake, and rather than come to terms with it and try to make amends, prefer to wallow into their own guilt and self-loathing.
I doubt he'll ever manage to get free from that - unless a massive effort is done to "heal" his mind.
I think Kevin did try to make amends in the Second Chronicles by talking to Linden, but we all know how that turned out - counterproductive, ultimately ineffective, and in no way worth the pain he caused Linden. Kevin only gained one more thing to make amends for.
I think there is something about dying in despair. White Gold Wielder referred to this in the case of Cable Seadreamer. Unfortunately I can't quote it right now.
I think there is something about dying in despair. White Gold Wielder referred to this in the case of Cable Seadreamer. Unfortunately I can't quote it right now.