I believe that Tim Roth would be a very good Bannor...well, at least he looks the part in this picture:theland.antgear.com/tim_roth.jpg
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Covenant fantasy casting.
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To be honest, i never pictured the Haruchai as anything else but Caucasian. I cringe at the thought of having Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan or whoever playing as Brinn or Bannor. I believe that Tim Roth would be a very good Bannor...well, at least he looks the part in this picture:
theland.antgear.com/tim_roth.jpg
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I believe that Tim Roth would be a very good Bannor...well, at least he looks the part in this picture:theland.antgear.com/tim_roth.jpg
without the cig
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I always thought of the Haruchai as being Asian-looking. Not necessarily Bruce Lee-style. Possibly more like half-caucasian, half-asian. I imagine it as a sort of understated Asian-ness. Which sounds very racist, but I can't think how better to describe it.
In fact, I googled for Asian-American man and got this picture: goldsea.com/Personalities/LeeJS/jslee_side_300.jpg
That's kind of the look I imagine them as.
I picture the Ramen as looking very African, incidentally.
In fact, I googled for Asian-American man and got this picture: goldsea.com/Personalities/LeeJS/jslee_side_300.jpg
That's kind of the look I imagine them as.
I picture the Ramen as looking very African, incidentally.
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Yeah, i realize that i do sound sort of racist. No offense to anyone, i swear.The Somberlain wrote:I imagine it as a sort of understated Asian-ness. Which sounds very racist, but I can't think how better to describe it.
I can picture the Ramen as maybe young, Native Americans because i see them as a swift sort of American Indian-type people who can take offense to others who are ignorant to their culture. Once again, no offense to anyone.The Somberlain wrote:I picture the Ramen as looking very African, incidentally.
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The Antgear site has a whole list of suggested cast... I don't really agree with most of it (at least the ones it has pictures of), but one of the suggestions for Vain was Wesley Snipes... I reckon he could probably look the part. And it doesn't matter that he's not a good actor, because he never has to talk!Sunbaneglasses wrote:Vain CGI.
Any one mention Daniel Day Lewis for Covenant? What do you think?
www.new-video.de/darsteller-daniel-day-lewis/
Check the picture on the top right of the page... sans hat of course.
www.new-video.de/darsteller-daniel-day-lewis/
Check the picture on the top right of the page... sans hat of course.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. John Stuart Mill
heh...sorry, i guess i missed that part...Matrixman wrote:firelion set the criteria for this topic, which is about as open-ended as can be. Any actor, living or deceased, is open for consideration. This is ultimate fantasy casting.firelion wrote:If you could have any actors from any eras,who would they be?
DDL Look quite good for a TC there, if he cuts the hiar and loses the hat.
But if you're all about the destination, then take a fucking flight.
We're going nowhere slowly, but we're seeing all the sights.
And we're definitely going to hell, but we'll have all the best stories to tell.
Full of the heavens and time.
We're going nowhere slowly, but we're seeing all the sights.
And we're definitely going to hell, but we'll have all the best stories to tell.
Full of the heavens and time.
sorry, this is just as an aside...
does anybody besides me picture Covenant as someone who has really bad arthritis? i don't know why, but i just got that distinct impression while reading LFB and it sort of stuck with me.
I mean, he said he was helpless most of the time, and if he had arthritis on his halfhand, then that would be really helpless...
does anybody besides me picture Covenant as someone who has really bad arthritis? i don't know why, but i just got that distinct impression while reading LFB and it sort of stuck with me.
I mean, he said he was helpless most of the time, and if he had arthritis on his halfhand, then that would be really helpless...
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Yes, Covenant's halfhandedness put him in a position of having to awkwardly clutch at things--especially in the Land, where he had to cope with all manner of unfamiliar objects.
If Covenant always seems to be "helpless" in the Land, I think it's because he's simply an ordinary man caught up in an extraordinary realm where he's constantly disoriented by larger-than-life beings and powers.
If Covenant always seems to be "helpless" in the Land, I think it's because he's simply an ordinary man caught up in an extraordinary realm where he's constantly disoriented by larger-than-life beings and powers.
if in the movie the actor who played Thomas Covenant just sort of faked arthritis, wouldn't it increase the audience's understanding of exactly how awkward Covenant's clutch on stuff really is?
And, Matrixman, i think that most of his helplessness was derived not only from his awkwardness of the things around him (and his disorientation) but also mainly because of his halfhand (after all, isn't that the whole reason the people of the land think he's there? because he's a reincarnated Berek?)
Yeah, so i think that if he had more disability in his already disabled hand--then it would make Covenant on the screen put forth more emotion and helplessness as it is described in the book. Because i don't think that an actor can act out everything that Covenant is thinking and feeling within his head...
I don't know...food for thought
And, Matrixman, i think that most of his helplessness was derived not only from his awkwardness of the things around him (and his disorientation) but also mainly because of his halfhand (after all, isn't that the whole reason the people of the land think he's there? because he's a reincarnated Berek?)
Yeah, so i think that if he had more disability in his already disabled hand--then it would make Covenant on the screen put forth more emotion and helplessness as it is described in the book. Because i don't think that an actor can act out everything that Covenant is thinking and feeling within his head...
I don't know...food for thought
And good food for thought it is, Master Matthias.
You've brought up a crucial aspect of portraying Thomas Covenant on screen: how does an actor convey to a movie audience that this man is struggling with himself and with the world around him, without becoming maudlin and reducing his character to that of a bumbling fool? How to strike the right balance?
Having Covenant move stiffly as if he had arthritis as you suggest could certainly be one way to aid the actor in gaining empathy from an audience. It would be a kind of visual shorthand that emphasizes Covenant's vulnerability to the hostile forces around him. He is an antihero, after all, so it's appropriate that he should appear weak and somewhat physically inept compared to those around him--but not at the cost of turning him into petty caricature. There is a certain dignity to Covenant's very human struggle for self-worth that should not be lost in the translation to screen.
Whew. Hope that made sense.
You've brought up a crucial aspect of portraying Thomas Covenant on screen: how does an actor convey to a movie audience that this man is struggling with himself and with the world around him, without becoming maudlin and reducing his character to that of a bumbling fool? How to strike the right balance?
Having Covenant move stiffly as if he had arthritis as you suggest could certainly be one way to aid the actor in gaining empathy from an audience. It would be a kind of visual shorthand that emphasizes Covenant's vulnerability to the hostile forces around him. He is an antihero, after all, so it's appropriate that he should appear weak and somewhat physically inept compared to those around him--but not at the cost of turning him into petty caricature. There is a certain dignity to Covenant's very human struggle for self-worth that should not be lost in the translation to screen.
Whew. Hope that made sense.
I think the act of walking while doing a VSE would portray the condition. From the description I read in the books, that is a very jerky methodical walking gait.
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Plus, walking with numb feet would give him a unique stride as well. A good actor could do a lot with those two things and not have to act arthritic.
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Plus, walking with numb feet would give him a unique stride as well. A good actor could do a lot with those two things and not have to act arthritic.
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Hmm... the leprosy itself can't (and mustn't be) of too much account. This would get in the way of action scenes, etc.
I think what Covenant needs to convey when he comes to the Land is is his overarching assumption that he revolts everyone. Outcast Unclean! This would manifest in so many ways: recoiling from physical contact, lack of social graces, the assumption that no one wants him around, the suspicion that all kindnesses are feigned. This could be acted in a movie.
It might even offer a poignancy. We would watch as Covenant grows accustomed to his new status in the Land, learn friendships, share confidences, starts down the road to normal, and then boom! back in the real world. The pain of discovering being a pariah again. The awkwardness and heartache of self-preserving habits having been lost. The loneliness which hurts more from losing friends, from suspecting you may not have even have had friends, that it was just a dream. Slowly, Covenant regains lost ground, gets a hold of himself, starts taking care of himself again, and then boom! back in the Land. Is it any wonder he has a snear for those in the Land who seem to care for him? .... if this is played right, the audience can come to learn exactly why it is that Covenant fears the Land, fears believing in it.
I think what Covenant needs to convey when he comes to the Land is is his overarching assumption that he revolts everyone. Outcast Unclean! This would manifest in so many ways: recoiling from physical contact, lack of social graces, the assumption that no one wants him around, the suspicion that all kindnesses are feigned. This could be acted in a movie.
It might even offer a poignancy. We would watch as Covenant grows accustomed to his new status in the Land, learn friendships, share confidences, starts down the road to normal, and then boom! back in the real world. The pain of discovering being a pariah again. The awkwardness and heartache of self-preserving habits having been lost. The loneliness which hurts more from losing friends, from suspecting you may not have even have had friends, that it was just a dream. Slowly, Covenant regains lost ground, gets a hold of himself, starts taking care of himself again, and then boom! back in the Land. Is it any wonder he has a snear for those in the Land who seem to care for him? .... if this is played right, the audience can come to learn exactly why it is that Covenant fears the Land, fears believing in it.
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