vegetarians--who? why?

[drew]

PS-does everyone have the hots for lucimay?

[The Laughing Man]

I agree drew, 100%. I'm like Alynna, a "Pittsburg Rare" kinda guy, and as much as I love it, I still shudder a bit when I eat a good piece of rare meat, and chicken is starting to wierd me out. I try hard to block it out. I was in SoCal when Jack in the Box was sellin E Coli burgers, thats when the situation went real public awareness. Alot of people quit eatin meat that day, heh.

and DOESN'T everyone have the hots for Lucimay?

In case you didn't notice, jizzyjoe, me and Lucimay been makin out in vespers and runnin naked 'round mallory's long before you got here hahahaha!

[lucimay]

sheesh.


ps. can't a girl just eat a freakin steak in peace? do i have to feel guilty about that too?

[sgt.null]

religious conversion. my penance for the horrible things we do to animals. no way to justify how we keep and slaughter animals.

and i saved a frog today.

go me!

[Cail]

religious conversion. my penance for the horrible things we do to animals. no way to justify how we keep and slaughter animals.

This is going to sound horrible, but there's a great justification...They taste good. Sorry, like someone else said, if you can justify killing a head of lettuce, you can justify killing a chicken.

Bread acts like a sponge, the carbs lay on you.

[drew]

It does seem odd that humans have been eating bread for thousands (and thousands) of years, yet it's blamed for why everyone is Fat nowadays.

Yes meat does taste good. That's one of the reasons why we partially switched back-lack of will power.
-But on the whole lettuce thingthat sounds like pretty silly justification-unless you consider the fact that most of the farmers in world -farm impropperly, and because we do demand things like fresh lettuce in the middle of the winter that pesticedes and herbicides are used in overabundance.
If we ate the way we are supposed to eat; ie-sesonal foods, free ranged foods (that lived a good life); food that was farmed without raping the earth-we'd be a lot healthier as a whole than we are.

Don't get me wrong-I'm as guilty as anyone else..given the climate that I live in, I should be eating stored root vegtables and caribou meat this time of year..but we're having a tufu stirfry with broccoli and cauliflower and coconut milk tonight

-That's the other reason we gave up the Vegatarian thing..I found that I couldn't eat anything without feeling guilty about it.-even fish..with all the overfishing and dragging that goes on, we're emptying our oceans at an incredible rate.

(this should almest be in the Tank eh?-although if it was I probebly wouldn't post in it)

[Cail]

The "Veggie Connundrum" usually becomes a Tank-worthy question when people begin talking about what we "should" eat. As far as I'm concerned we should eat what we like.

But yes, farming practices are part of the problem, as are animal-harvesting practices, as is the fact that humans don't do anywhere near the physical labor that we did 400 years ago.

[Worm of Despite]

I guess it's different for everybody. I eat bread and grain-based stuff like a madman. Some days all I eat consists of oatmeal, cereal, bagels, toast, etc.

On top of that, I've been eating leftovers from Xmas since Sunday; around lunch I prepare a pretty hefty plate and have a lot of dessert afterwards. Doesn't matter, never gain a pound. Prolly cause I jog two to three miles a day, though. Maybe there is a diet that keeps you thin without any exercise, but I haven't met it yet--and I love exercising, anyway. It’s such second nature now that I almost fell asleep while jogging a few weeks back..

Will adjust my diet when age keeps me from jogging as much as I want. It's not impossible to get two miles in each day, though; I had an 18 hour college schedule, made all As, and did it easily. Can see myself doing it when I enter the "real world."

[Cail]

You're also still a pup. Wait 'till you're in your 30's and your metabolism hits the wall.

[Worm of Despite]

Pfft. I've got the work ethic of my grandfather, as far as physical stuff goes. And he was deadlifting 500 pounds in his 50s. He probably ran through brick walls in his 40s, I'm sure. I know two maxims: I'm always going to be moderate with what I eat (unless it's the holidays), and I'll always be physically active. And if I can't be physically active, I'll be either sick or dying, and by then I won't care. Don't think I have anything to worry about.

I came from being 320 pounds to around 150-155; I dread going back to being obese more than a painful death. I’ll go out fighting before I give up my current state. Don't get me wrong, though: I know I will gain some weight as age progresses, that's just natural. But I'm never going to live a sedative lifestyle again, as long as it's in my power.

Oh, woops, got off topic. Vegetariaism, yeah. Paul McCartney was cool enough to do it, so I might when the age bug creeps up.

[Cail]

That'll definately help, but....

When I graduated from college in 1990 I weighed 145 pounds. I ate what I wanted, and I was moderately athletic. I'm now 205-210, I treadmill every day, I lift 3 times a week, and I really watch what I eat. My sole dietary vice is beer. My metabolism has slowed to the point that if I don't lead the life I do I'll balloon.

Age is a bitch.

[Worm of Despite]

Again, see, that's where I won't be agreeing. Even if I have the same exact health experience as you (minus the beer, though), I won't view the 30s/40s as a negative. It's a mental thing more than anything--it's a Spartan mindset my grandfather instilled, an "age is just a number" thing. It's overly positive, yes, but I'm cynical about everything else. Might as well be a pollyanna about something. Thus, I will meet age not as an enemy but a friend that I will seek to enjoy and improve upon (not that I try to nag/improve my friends, heh).

[Cail]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't see age as a negative thing at all, just a simple fact of life. Your body will change as it gets older. There's just no way around it. That's not to say that it's necessarily a bad thing. You're doing yourself a huge favor by exercising now (God I wish I had when I was younger), but don't be surprised if at some point you start putting on weight again.

I absolutely wouldn't want to be 22 again. Age is good.

[Worm of Despite]

Ah yes, death is both a bitch and a good! Such is life, a double-edged sword! Heh. But yeah, I know I'm gonna be gaining weight. I'll come to terms with anything that happens to me, short of losing all my limbs. Heh.

[Marv]

gaining weight as you get older is something that most people do, however i dont see why anyone should resign themselves to doing so. if you keep a disciplined diet and continue to excercise you wont put on weight no matter your age. as a young bloke i know that its fairly easy for me to say this but my dads nearly 50 and can bench nearly as much as me and runs 10k in 55mins. i think as you get older it just becomes a matter of priorities and unfortunately for most people physical health hits the back burner.

i believe the key for any healthy person is to start training as young as possble, meaning that by the time you hit your thirties, fourties and fifties training will be such a big part of your life you'll miss it too much to stop.

i also dont think people look into supplements enough. ever had periods of bad sleep, feeling tired every morning- supplements. aches and pains-supplements. cant put weight 0n or take it off-supplements.a little research and you can find some good, SAFE stuff out there.

[Worm of Despite]

Yeah, I take a multi-vitamin everyday before breakfast. I used to take amino acids, but they gave me too much gas (and gave you too much info). And not jogging when I've planned to (despite the weather) is one of the few things that makes me feel deeply, morally wrong. Yep, Foul has a weakness.

[Cail]

i believe the key for any healthy person is to start training as young as possble, meaning that by the time you hit your thirties, fourties and fifties training will be such a big part of your life you'll miss it too much to stop.

That's the key right there. Once it's ingrained behavior, you're less likely to give up on it.

[sgt.null]

Cail: I wasn't advocating. I still cook meat for Julie. I sometimes get involved with that process at work. (mainly I tell the inmates what to do) slaughterhouses aren't the only inhumane thing we do, but I still wear some leather items. I eat eggs and dairy products. I just don't eat the flesh of any animals. eggs being unfertalized. so I'm hypocritical in some regards.