Some Definitions That May Be Of Interest in Regard to LCTC

Post by **Mr. Land** » Wed Aug 27, 2003 10:41 am

There has been some discussion as to when the history of the land will come into play in the new series. Since the Last Chronicles deals with the corruption of time any of them are possibilities. I would, however, suggest that a strong candidate is The Runes of the Earth since one definition of rune is secret lore and lore can be defined as accumulated tradition.

The second book in the new series, "Fatal Revenant" is also interesting. A revenant is defined as one who comes back following an absence. Immediately I think of Thomas Covenant or Lord Foul.

One other tidbit. In W.A. Senor's Stephen R Donaldson's Chronicles of Thomas Covenant: Variations on the Fantasy Tradition (published 1995) Donaldson is quoted as saying "In the Last Chronicles, Thomas Covenant becomes Lord Foul. Following the psychological paradigm through, what happens at the point that you become your own other self is that you become whole, and the universe is made new."

Post by **[Syl]** » Wed Aug 27, 2003 10:52 am

I need that book.

Post by **danlo** » Wed Aug 27, 2003 10:56 am

Me too! Where have u been all our lives Mr Land?

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Wed Aug 27, 2003 11:25 am

I've heard of this book I think, sounds good. A must-pre-read for the Last Chronicles.

Danlo--one additional question of the Last Chrons, are they the Third Chronicles of Thomas Covenant? The Last Chronicles? Or is there another name?

Post by **Furls Fire** » Wed Aug 27, 2003 11:53 am

He actually said Covenant becomes Lord Foul? ohhhhhh I don't like the sound of that. Maybe, at the end when the universe is destroyed he "becomes" Foul. Becoming one in himself destroys the Land's universe and begins a new one...Creating a new Land? sooooooooooo many possibilities...

I want that book too!!!

*runs to Amazon's website....8

Post by **[Syl]** » Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:03 pm

They have it at alibris, and I've always found them more reliable.

Post by **danlo** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:38 am

To the best my knowledge Mhoram, SRD clearly called them The Last Chronicles Of Thomas Covenant...

Post by **caamora** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 3:25 am

Well, Mr. Land, welcome to the Watch. You have a surprising knowledge of what is happening. I find this interesting since, just recently, one of our members had a close encounter with Mr. SRD himself.

Could it be? Dare I say it? Are you Stephen R. Donaldson?

(Only kidding! I think I'm not the only one on this watch to hope that SRD secretly posts here!)

Anyway, I agree with your analogy of TC becoming Foul. I always felt that they were different sides of the same coin. Also, at the end of WGW, Covenant even says to Foul "We are the same." TC recognizes the kinship with Foul even as Foul ignores it. Although I know that with SRD, all things are possible

but it seems the most logical place for Covenant and still keeping him as a main character. It seems that we are all a bit leery (sp?) of having Linden as the main focus.

Also, Mr. Land you said

W.A. Senor's Stephen R Donaldson's Chronicles of Thomas Covenant

Am I missing something? Everyone else seems to know who this is. Who is W.A. Senor? Anyone? Anyone?

Post by **CovenantJr** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 5:08 am

Haha, no, no, it's not

W.A. Senor's Stephen R Donaldson's Chronicles of Thomas Covenant

it's

W.A. Senor's "Stephen R Donaldson's Chronicles of Thomas Covenant: Variations on the Fantasy Tradition"

But no, I've never heard of it either

Post by **danlo** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 5:27 am

Post by **Furls Fire** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 5:28 am

I'm having trouble finding it...anyone have any suggestions on where to get it?

Okay...FOUND IT!!

Barnes and Noble has it in hardcover for $35
Amazon has it in hardcover for $24.50...but that was the last one and i got it..LOL! It says they are getting more.

Post by **caamora** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 2:06 pm

Let us know how it is, Furls!

Post by **Furls Fire** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 5:10 pm

will do caam

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 10:19 am

Okay, cool, Danlo!

Thanks again for all the info re: The Last Chronicles.

Post by **Hellfire** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 6:31 am

Mr. Land wrote:One other tidbit. In W.A. Senor's Stephen R Donaldson's Chronicles of Thomas Covenant: Variations on the Fantasy Tradition (published 1995) Donaldson is quoted as saying "In the Last Chronicles, Thomas Covenant becomes Lord Foul. Following the psychological paradigm through, what happens at the point that you become your own other self is that you become whole, and the universe is made new."

I can understand that. There is a huge revalation when we tap into ourselves and understand our own patterns and hardwiring. It is a core concept of Zen. Foul is a part of TC and when he realizes this to the fullest he defeats him. I guess he will eventually lose sight of himself and be overtaken by Foul once again. I wonder if the Creator had this mind and what part he plays in the LCTC.

Post by **Mouseglove** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:08 am

caamora wrote:Am I missing something? Everyone else seems to know who this is. Who is W.A. Senor? Anyone? Anyone?

William Senior is the President (and long-time member) of the Executive Board for the International Association for the Fantastic in the Arts, an organization dedicated to scholarly research in and around the Fantastic: Science-Fiction, Fantasy and Horror.

This is the association I belong to, at whose conference I get to see the Donaldsons every year, and of which SRD is, in essence if not in fact, an author-in-residence.

So Dr. W. A. Senior, who got his Ph.D. from Notre Dame, is easily a "noted authority" on fantastic literature. He's a professor of English Lit at Broward Community College in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. I see his name pass by my desktop several times a week on the IAFA mailing list. Thus guy knows his stuff.

-Mg

Post by **danlo** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:11 am

has he tried writting any fantasy, sci-fi or horror on his own?

Post by **Furls Fire** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:37 am

I recieved the book today and just at first glance thru the interviews with SRD, there are two, the only quote about the third chrons is the one that has already been posted. There are some very interesting quotes about the first and second chrons tho. The first being the "muscle" of the series, the second being the "toxic dump" of the series. Like I said, I've only glanced thru it, but so far I really like it. Will post more about the book after I do a good read of it.

Peace,
Furls

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