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Is it too soon for this? I understand that the families were involved, but I'm still not sure this is the right movie to make at this time.

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NEW YORK (AP) -- The first few hours of the September 11 attacks have been imagined and replayed countless ways in the minds of many, but for the first time, a movie of that nightmare premiered on the big screen.

"United 93," the first feature film to dramatize the September 11, 2001, story, opened the Tribeca Film Festival on Tuesday in front of a somber audience that included Hollywood stars, city officials and victims' relatives.

"The vision is something we see in our heads every day," said Jan Snyder, whose daughter Christine was on the flight. "It's time for this. The public needs to know, they need to remember and know what the families have gone through."

The 90-minute movie takes place in real time and portrays the gripping story of the flight that left Newark, New Jersey, and crashed in a Pennsylvania field after passengers rallied against their hijackers and tried to recapture control of the jet.

At Tuesday's premiere, the screen went dark after the stomach-turning sequence showing the plane's nosedive. The theater was silent except for the gut-wrenching sobs and wails from the loge, where the relatives were seated together.

Moviegoers absorbed and shared their pain. Throughout the screening, they wept, drew sharp breaths, gasped and covered their faces with their hands. They shifted in their seats, sometimes to look back at the family section.

"You saw moviemaking and real life come together," said Jeffrey Sachs, a consultant from Manhattan who attended the premiere. "It fills in the mystery of what happened."

Flight 93 was the fourth plane hijacked that morning, crashing near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, minutes after the first trade center tower collapsed in lower Manhattan.

In the film, the Flight 93 story is juxtaposed with that of the air traffic controllers, who watched with disbelief as four planes were seized and crashed by 19 terrorists. American Airlines Flight 11 slammed first into the north tower, United Airlines 175 hit the south tower and United 77 went down at the Pentagon.

Officials believe Flight 93, carrying 40 passengers and crew plus the four hijackers, was headed for the White House or the Capitol. The film uses that idea to suggest that the passenger uprising might have saved lives -- a subtle bright spot amid the heartstopping devastation.

Relatives of people who were on Flight 93 collaborated with writer-director Paul Greengrass to lend authenticity to the characters and story of the movie, which opens nationwide Friday.

Greengrass did take some creative license -- using what relatives told him about the victims' personalities to envision what they might have done or which role they played in the revolt.

"Only 40 people truly know what happened that day and I thought he went to painstaking grounds to make it feel that all 40 of them were a part of it," said Ken Nacke, whose brother Louis J. Nacke was killed.

Nacke said he found himself "rooting for them, for a different outcome."

For some, seeing reminders of 9/11 on the big screen was too disturbing. A few theaters in the New York area pulled the film's trailer this spring after moviegoers complained about the upsetting images.

Cindy Somma, who came from Long Island to see the premiere, described it afterward as "very upsetting, truthful, realistic and painful."

Greengrass and film festival founders acknowledge that the film stirs powerful emotions but say the Tribeca gathering was appropriate for its premiere. The festival, which runs through May 7, was created to help lower Manhattan recover economically from the 2001 attacks.

"Remembering is painful, it's difficult, but it can be inspiring and it can give wisdom," Greengrass told the audience before the film started.

Robert De Niro, who lives and works in the neighborhood and co-founded the festival with his producing partner, Jane Rosenthal, said the film "is a story that honors bravery."
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It should have been done 2 years ago.

It was upsetting when it happened and it should be upsetting 30+ years from now.

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You know, I have to wonder why things like this are even questioned. When did we become so interested in ignoring reality? I'm glad it was made, and I wish for a time when we don't pretend our enemies don't exist. having said that, I'd rather we just focus on the movie, because rants like mine really belong in the Tank.
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This is a movie that definitely should've been made, I'm going to see it and I think everyone else should too.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm going to see it. On the one hand, I hate to see something like this commercialized, but it does have the blessing of the families....
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Why does everything in this society end up on the big screen?

Maybe I'm from too traditional a background, but this bothers me, and it will continue to bother me until I see how people react to it.... because I have this distrubing notion that people will forget it actually happened, and come out of the theater saying, "Wow, what a movie!" and not "My gods, those people."
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That would be an absolute tragedy Alynna.
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It's been almost 5 years now, and there's already been at least two TV movie versions.

Why is a theatrical version so much more controversial?
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I think pain and suffering can be turned into a great form of art or expression, as evidenced by the existence of such movies as Schindler's List and the Pianist. Such films spread awareness of the tragedy and apply a human face to it. Certainly, products exist that monopolize on fear and pain, which is a pity. I hope this new film proves to be the former than the latter. Only time will tell.
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There have?
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Yup. One of them even used clips of the actual recordings.

I believe the second one, which aired months ago, I still have on VHS somewhere.
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Do you have their names? I'd like to look them up on IMDB.

I remember the History Channel showing something a while back, but I thought that was a documentary.
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depends on why the film is made. is this backed for a political reason?
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I guess that's why I'm a bit squeamish about the film.
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Cail wrote:Do you have their names? I'd like to look them up on IMDB.

I remember the History Channel showing something a while back, but I thought that was a documentary.
Offhand, I don't recall, I'd have to dig up the VHS and maybe I have it labeled with the title of the one we recorded (if we still have it). I did check "Flight 93" in IMDB and there is a 2002 "Let's Roll Flight 93" (or something like that, which is probably the Docu-Drama) and then there's a 2006 TV one. I'll let you know if/when I track down the VHS recording.
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I remember seeing some tv movie on this as well. I think it was a docudrama, and I think it aired on either the History or the Discovery channels. :?
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i would be more comfortable with some sort of documentary. we all know how hollywood takes liberties with the truth.
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Well, there was a Docudrama re-enactment including te real tapes and then there was also a scripted version version on TV.
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Most reviews I have seen use the word "Brilliant" in the subject line.

Here's a collection of random internet movie-junkie comments from people who have seen the film:
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I saw this last night. I thought it was a great movie, and extremely intense, especially during the last 30 minutes (the only thing I could compare that to would be the first 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan.) There were alot of people weeping openly during that period.
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