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Post by **duchess of malfi** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:32 pm

There had to have been some sort of forcible alteration in the making of Revelstone...contradiction or a possible change in culture between the time of the Old Lords and the New?

Post by **Landwaster** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:35 pm

duchess of malfi wrote:... a possible change in culture between the time of the Old Lords and the New?

Ooh ... could be right! Did they Old Lords use Earthpower? Can't remember. Blast stored books.

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:38 pm

Both sets of Lords used earthpower, but the Old ones had no Oath of Peace...

Post by **danlo** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:40 pm

Berek communed with Earthpower but in Damelon's time it couldn't have been very developed and if it was, like I said b4, it must have been done with Damelon and the "Hearthall's" approval. Perhaps an accordance w/the Earthpower is reached, kinda sorta, like how the Earthpower spoke to the Haruchai at the time of the Vow?

Post by **Landwaster** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:45 pm

Ok so they did, but as said, perhaps not as attuned and/or experienced, and without an OoP.

Wow, could the Lords' attitude to getting digging up the Land have been affected by the OoP. "Not only don't bash each other up, but also try not dig holes over the place, the Land has feeling too, ya know."

yeah Danlo, perhaps there was some sort of "terms of use" for mucking around with rock, eg to do it only in accordance with specific respect.

Still, that's pretty murky. It'd be interesting to know exactly what form that sort of temperament took.

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:47 pm

duchess of malfi wrote:I think there was sculpture mentioned as being in the Hall of Gifts at Revelstone

Good catch! Yes, there were "sculptures and carvings." Made out of granite, oak, Gildenlode..

And yes, there was at least one suru-pa-maerl work.

Regarding anundivian yajna, Elena made the one that looked like a Covenant/Bannor combination by fusing together and molding four bones.

duchess of malfi wrote:There had to have been some sort of forcible alteration in the making of Revelstone...contradiction or a possible change in culture between the time of the Old Lords and the New?

Fantastic thought! Just how different were the people of those two time periods?

And hey, what do you suppose that Unfettered that Triock met would feel about carving the rock!!

danlo,
The Real People are a group of Australian Aboriginies. A woman walked across Australia with them in a book called Mutant Message Down Under. Very cool book!! Typical concept - we are losers, and the "primitive" people are brilliant and caring - but told well, with some great passages.

Post by **Landwaster** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:51 pm

First I'd heard of the Real People!

Anyways : great stuff about the Revelstone issue. Yep how different were the new from the old, and considering that the only known difference was the OoP and other lessons from the mistake of my RoD, and perhaps a barrowload of sheepishness, how important is the OoP to the way they treated the Land itself (considering that the OoP was, in general, a set of rulings governing the treatment of people not the Land.

How does this compare with other attitudes of old v new Lords ... eg when was the One Forest trashed? Was there still some trashing going on during the reign of the Old Lords? If so, then the OoP starts to unveil more and more compartments of itself with each passing minute!

Post by **danlo** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:57 pm

You know now that you mention it that also raises questions about Striken Stone and Doriendor Corishev. Now DC could easily be explained away as established before Berek's time. But what DO we know about Stricken Stone? Was there a center of learning there that was, appropriately, replaced later by a "tree-city": Revelwood. Could Sticken Stone's destruction be karmic payback in a way?

DC is also interesting in that, like men destroying the One Forest they are also, unconsiously, abominating the stone...

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:58 pm

Well, there is that bit towards the end of LFB where Bannor urges Mhoram to close the little gully, and Mhoram sayd he would not hurt the Earth in such a way...but wouldn't it have hurt the Earth to have carved Revelstone?

Post by **danlo** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:02 pm

But also remember that the crafting was done by the Gaints who had an innate love of stone...

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:04 pm

That is very true, danlo
sea and stone, my friend, sea and stone

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:10 pm

Nothing mentioned about exactly when the soul of the One Forest was extinguished. The Colossus of the Fall was around long before the Old Lords. The Forestaal came after the Colossus, when humans began cutting down the trees. (The Colossus was not designed to swat humans.) Since Berek swore to protect the Earth, it stands to reason that there wasn't a lot of deforestation going on after he gained any amount of authority over the general population, so the Forestaal probably came before him also.

However, the Ritual of Desecration was clearly a blow to the Forests.

Regarding Doriender Corishev, it was the capital of the King and Queen's kingdom.

And let's just have another look, shall we?

"Can you read it? Do you know what it means? I've been here three times" - four counting the brief translation during which he had refused Mhoram's summons - "but no one's ever been able to tell me what it means."

Swallowing heavily, Pitchwife murmered, "No words. There are none. Your scant human tongue is void-" Tears spread through the creases of his face, mapping his emotion.

But the First said for him, "All tongues, Giantfriend. All tongues lack such language. There is that in the granite glory of the world's heart which may not be uttered with words. All other expression must be dumb when the pure stone speaks. And here that speech has been made manifest. Ah, my heart!" Her voice rose as if she wanted to both sing and keen. But for her also no words were adequate. Softly, she concluded, "The Giants of the Land were taught much by their loss of Home. I am humbled before them."

And will you 3 slow down!!! It takes time to look all this stuff up you know!!

Post by **danlo** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:17 pm

But DC is eventually reduced to ruble--what I mean, like the One Forest, is that the Earthpower, which I believe has been around 4ever has a way of taking care of things over time--that's why I mention "karma" ...I'm looking at a huge and ancient overview...damm I'm not making myself clear, better off to bed...Forestal or not men are messing where they shouldn't be...(I know darn well DC was the King and Queen's Kingdom! rrrr (damm I promised I wouldn't talk like a pirate--thanks alot Fist!

) now I'm tired AND pissy!) Good nite y'all (dammit!)

Post by **Landwaster** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:19 pm

GLEEPS! The Giants, on better terms with the stone, wow what a thought. The Land could very well have thought "but these guys, they're allright. They've got the touch that makes it all ok."

That could be very true. The very bones of the Earth may have more leniency towards the Giants, due to some better attunement that they have.

I LOVE that concept! Maybe with more open learning the Lords could have been educated in what makes that quality tick!

And thanks Fist, so it seems that deforestation and with it abuse of the Land in general was probably severely tempered with the arrival of Berek. Which makes the Giantish theory even more possible.

Post by **Landwaster** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:19 pm

Yeah I agree danlo about the Stricken Stone thing, and perhaps DC by proxy as well.

Post by **danlo** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:25 pm

(p.s. Fist I never meant to imply that men destroyed the Soul of the Old Forest what I REALLY meant was any axe or fire weilded by men contributes TO destroying it! Men weren't innocent by any means...)

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:25 pm

Landwaster wrote:The very bones of the Earth may have more leniency towards the Giants, due to some better attunement that they have.

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Post by **Landwaster** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:32 pm

We might be onto something ... and right when danlo is getting ready to turn in for the evening

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