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birdandbear and I are the two who will be "dissecting" Gilden-Fire. As I started discussing the Haruchai in that chapter, I realized I was discussing them in general terms, not specific to Gilden-Fire. And if I kept it up, by the time I got to Gilden-Fire, you'd be reading one of the bigger posts on the Watch. So I'm posting the general stuff here. I love to go on and on about the Haruchai anyway, so... :) When we discuss Gilden-Fire in that area of the Watch, this is where I'm coming from.

And now, children, gather 'round. For I will tell you the tale of a most glorious race. A race that is true. A race that is honest. A race that is noble. Come close to the fire, children, and hear the tale of the Haruchai.

The Haruchai live in the Westron Mountains. This is a very inhospitable place to live. Life does not come easy, but only through extreme effort. Of course, the lives of many people, individuals and groups, requires extreme effort. Farmers are a good example. What makes it different for the Haruchai is the danger. The mind of the farmer can wander as he breaks his back. He may not have the freedom to ponder thoughts far and wide, but he need not pay strict attention to the job every moment.

But the Haruchai must. Absolute concentration is required just to stay alive. The growing season is short - Miss an hour's work, and you might miss the entire crop. Snow and ice are perilous - misplace one foot, and you fall off a cliff, if not bring an avalanche down upon your family. And enemies are everywhere - NEVER forget to look over your shoulder.

And what is the character of the people who live under these conditions?
-Are they lazy? I won't even bother answering.
-Are they pessimistic? Where there is NO room for error, any doubt will automatically become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
-Are they dishonest? In these mountains, how long do you think a liar and his family will live if he doesn't bother tending the crops, guarding the goats, or gathering fuel for the fire, but said he did?
-Do they have short attention spans? The absolute lack of room for error kills anyone with this flaw also.

Indeed, these traits do not exist in the race! Can anyone even imagine an Haruchai struggling with such questions? Having an internal debate over whether to get the job done or try to sneak an extra hour of sleep? I can't. The ability to act like that is absent. (If the first groups of Haruchai to live in the Westron Mountains included people who lied, stole, etc., they couldn't have lived very long. It is impossible under these conditions. There may have been others who leaned toward being this way, who saw what would happen, and, begrudgingly, did what needed doing despite themselves. If this was the case, these qualities have been bred out of the race over the generations.) It's a very simple situation: For reasons of practical necessity, the Haruchai, as a race, have this mindset and character. Without any intent to do so, nor even the conception that they would be doing so, they come out of their mountain fastness as paragons of human virtue.

In our world, we call this the Zen Mind. Once again, I quote Dan Millman:
One time I finished my best-ever pommel horse routine and walked over happily to take the tape off my wrists. Soc beckoned me and said, “The routine looked satisfactory, but you did a very sloppy job taking the tape off. Remember, every-moment satori.”
This is the Haruchai - every moment satori. It's the only way their minds work. Every action is given every bit of attention, performed to the utmost of their ability, without doubt or hesitation, with a concentration and intensity that most of us only feel for brief moments, a few times in our lives.

This is why Cail can stop the the descent of a stomping Courser. (And why Brinn can go toe-to-toe with a Giant, and why Ceer and Hergrom can give even a moment's pause to a Sandgorgon!!) He thinks, simply, "I must hold the Courser off of the Chosen." As mothers have been known to think, "My child is trapped under a burning car. I will lift the car off of her." The focus is absolute, so that he thinks it the same way, with the same mindset, as he would think, "I must hold this 10-pound rock off of the Chosen."

And this is why Brinn was able to ignore Kasreyn and his geas. His task was to guard Covenant, and that's that. The Zen mind doesn't have doubt or distraction, it simply performs its task. For the true Zen Master, even having a powerful voice speaking directly into your mind doesn't change anything.

In our world, people like this, even whole groups/races/cultures, live lives free of the emotional troubles that plague the rest of us. But in the Earth of the Land, this kind of Living Truth, this Fidelity, this Purity, does not go unanswered by other powers. When a group of humans do what humans do not easily do, when they rise to what might be considered the status of an elemental force, and they do it effortlessly, generation after generation, the Earth responds. Mhoram said, "In their way, they know the name of the Earthpower more surely than any Lord." I think it is the other way around. The Earthpower knows the Haruchai. The Haruchai don't give the Earthpower a second thought. As Bannor said, "The Bloodguard have no use for weapons. Any knife may turn and wound the hand which wields it. Yet the Lords desire lore. They do work of value with it. Therefore we do not resist it, though we do not touch it or serve it or save it." No, they aren't concerned with the Earthpower - but the Earthpower is concerned with them.

It may be akin to a law of physics - maybe the Earthpower responds to the Haruchai the way iron responds to a magnet.

But it may also be that the Earthpower understands what this group of humans has done, and is moved by them. Maybe it thinks their Faith deserves reward. Or maybe it craves the honor of being associated with them.

To be specific, when the Haruchai take their Vow, we do not know why the Earthpower did what it did for them. Perhaps it was unable to do otherwise. Or maybe the words of the Vow echoed throughout the Earth, and the Earthpower ached to be a part of it. Either way, the strength of their joined minds, and the purity of that strength's intent, was answered. The bones of the Haruchai were sealed to the promise they had made. They were bound, straitened, sustained, and kept from sleep.
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Wow Pardner! What an incredible post! I've always wished we knew more about the Haruchai people and their native mountains. We know that they live their lives under the most extreme conditions imaginable, and they don't know how to do anything without giving it every last drop of puissance as a result. Even their blood is 50 times more potent than that of ordinary mortals. (Which has always begged the question to me, are the Haruchai strictly mortal?) I've often wondered what a Haruchai woman, or child must be like. Do their children play? Or do they just start hunting bears and mountain cats as soon as they can walk? (And I've often thought that the act which creates a Haruchai child must make the very mountains tremble :twisted: )

The Haruchai are a passionate people. There is a passage in Gilden-Fire, which I won't quote here 'cause Fist may want to use it in his dissection :wink:, that talks about the high infant and child-bearing mortality rates among the Haruchai. We are given the distinct impression that the Haruchai feel love - and loss - for their families as extremely as they do everything else. I have always been astonished at the tenacity of a person who can look at his newborn child, knowing there is a very good chance it will not live to see it's fifth summer - and not have his heart broken. But they survive it, and their love is in no way diminished by it's mortality.

What a beautiful and terrible people!
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Encore !

I would love to be a Zen Master but I figure I'm too much of a scatter-brain :) I cannot wait until you guys dissect Gildenfire...AWESOME !!
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OK, I don't know exactly how geeky this is, but I like all of those cards like Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic: The Gathering. At least some of them are really cool, and the artwork of some, particularly the Magic ones, are great. I only started looking at them within the last couple of months, because of my 7 yo son. I have about a dozen Yu-Gi-Oh cards that I think are particularly nice. Just some "common" cards that came in the packs.

And today, I can't believe it, I actually bought a Magic card for $5. But let me describe it. The picture is not germane, although it's very nice. A guy sitting cross-legged in mid-air, levitating a couple feet off the ground, inside of a pyramid of what looks like white light.

The card is called True Believer. The (I guess you'd call it) power of the card says: You can't be the target of spells or abilities. I guess each card also has a saying, and this one's is: So great is his certainty that mere facts cannot shake it.

Sounds like the Haruchai to me!! :D Who has greater certainty than the Haruchai? And they are immune to "spells and abilities" like the sunbane, the Ravers, Kasreyn and his geas, and physical forces that would destroy legions of other people.

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Sounds cool. I thought Magic's art started sliding downhill after Jesper Myrfors left. To me, The Dark was the last good set for their original artwork (also seemed to be the last set they used direct literary quotes in the cards instead of made up stuff), but I wouldn't mind checking out somebody's cards to see what the game is up to these days.

Did I mention I have a nearly complete set of the original Sandman trading cards? Some seriously good art on those.
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Well, I don't know anything about the different series of Magic cards. Maybe this series is Deckmaster? The artist is Alex Horley-Orlandelli. I never heard of him. I noticed that some of the cards in the case were by one Hildebrandt or another. At least I've heard of them.

And I can well imagine how cool those Sandman cards are!!! Some of the artists who worked on the comic did a fantastic job!
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There is something vaguely dissatisfying for me in the description of the westron mountains and the skill of the haruchai. It just does not match that a race who had to spend all their skills just surviving would grow so fond of (and good at) war.
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Limited resources and opposing clans could easily provide the necessary antagonistic environment, I'd think... kinda like Scottish highlanders.
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My point is that the skills necessary to survive in an antagonistic environment are not the same skills necessary to survive against human antagonists.

What we know about the haruchai is that they were two clans that were at war, which is quite like the highlanders of Scotland. (Probably the lowlanders as well, although earlier.) But that would imply that resources were scarce and that they had to fight for them. What kind of resources?

I think it is necessary to see the whole haruchai issue as a kind of religion to properly understand it. There is no logical reason why living in the westron mountains should in itself create the haruchai spirit. They must have been actively seeking to make themselves what they are, and probably they stubbornly refused to move even when they knew that all they had to do was move eastwards a few weeks march and they would find a relatively empty land (after the desecration). But they refused, they were haruchai, not for them the easy road. Why do something easily when you can do it the hard way?
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GILDEN-FIRE spoilers below. I'm not blocking them out, because it's just about everything, whether a quote or discussion. You have been warned!! :)



SRD didn't imply that resources were scarce, he flat-out told us.
They were a hot people, strong-loined and prolific: but without food and shelter and warmth, children died at birth - and often the women died as well. Caught thus between the need to replenish the people and the mortality of love, the clans strove to wrest every possible scrap of food or flicker of hear or shadow of shelter from each other, so that their wives and children might not die.
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That need sent them eastward, out of the Westron Mountains, intending to conquer by might of fist the forms of sustenance their home did not provide...
And they had to fight for them because they are fighters. It's in their blood, it's what they are.
This trial came instinctively to the proud Haruchai, for they had been born to fighting in the same way that their forefathers had been born to it, and their forefathers before them, as the old tellers described.
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The Haruchai were fighters, accustomed to wrest what they required: they could not accept gifts without making meet return.
So:
There's not much food, heat, or shelter. Some peoples would cooperate, put their minds together, and figure out a way to make it work. But the Haruchai, as a race, are fighters. The solution they automatically try is NOT cooperation, but attacking each other.

When they finally figured out that this method wasn't getting them anywhere, they formed the Bond. Now, they would work together.

But they were still fighters. Still Haruchai. The way they work together is to find someone to attack together.

And what's more, because they are fighters, when the "enemy" they find is powerful beyond any hope of the Haruchai winning, but they refuse to fight the Haruchai, and even give them gifts beyond anything the Haruchai could have possibly imagined, the Vow they are driven to by their passion is a fighting Vow. They didn't vow to do the Lords' farming, although they could doubtless plow the Plains of Ra by hand within several days.
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I still do not understand it. The haruchai lived in their mountains until they decided to go down into the lowlands and take by force what they wanted. Why did they decide this at that time?
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Who can say why any group of people decide to try a particular solution at a particular time? They tried living other ways for a long time. Eventually, they came to realize the Mountains couldn't support them as well as they wanted. Not when the clans were fighting each other, and not when they worked together. Their children were still dying.
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Great post!

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Fist and Faith wrote:Who can say why any group of people decide to try a particular solution at a particular time? They tried living other ways for a long time. Eventually, they came to realize the Mountains couldn't support them as well as they wanted. Not when the clans were fighting each other, and not when they worked together. Their children were still dying.
It is an interesting question to ponder as to why they chose to wage war or (raid?) the lower Land. As one who lives near the Mountains of the Rockies (U.S.) and having hiked far into them I can see how scraping a living can be possible but very harsh...particularly in the winters. A beautiful and terrible people B & B called them. Very nice and apt descript.
I only know the Haruchai from the TCTC series, and have always admired them and even understood TC's screaming frustration at Bannor. Imagine how he must've felt
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when Brinn, Ceer, Cail, Harn and Hergrom decided to join him... on the Dromond
"oh great I got these guys to contend with again! :lol: And imagine his relief and gratitude. :wink:
We are the Bloodguard we do not doubt. Sheesh, I always wondered at the (seemingly) arrogance of that statement. Reading F & F initial post it became clear.
We...suffice
. No kidding as they proved it to TC (and to us) time and time again.

I think that definitely Earthpower was what sustained them (the BG)throughout their long service to the Lords.
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Though they lost it (thanks TC...thanks a lot!) and found their Vow corrupted
the ZEN that made them who they are still remained as evidence of the Haruchai in the second chronicles. Yes their blood was more potent but it has to come from the life they were accustomed to living and genetically built to withstand.
They were indeed a hearty people to continually re-supply the Bloodguard for every one slain.
Am thinking about that methodology of choice as well... A Ranyhyn comes riding into their village with the body of one of their dead. Presumably several step forward and then those guys have to fight to see who goes to replace the one that returned. Then that one has to fight the ones already in Revelstone to ensure his rightful place by their sides.
(mental note...don't ever get on these guys' bad side...whoo)
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This clue I take from TOT when the remaining Haruchai suddenly started fighting each other to see which one of them will go fight the guardian on the island.
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Go figure though F&F that yes they were near perfect in their Zen of concentration... but the merewives nearly did them in. Nobody was expecting that...least of all themselves. Thus ashamed they relieved themselves from their service to TC.
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Seafoam Understone wrote:
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This clue I take from TOT when the remaining Haruchai suddenly started fighting each other to see which one of them will go fight the guardian on the island.
You didn't remember this right. You're combining events from TOT and WGW. Go reread both books in their entirety, and you'll see what I mean. No really, right now. I'll wait. ;) :D

And hey, look at you, with your nasty 666 WGD's!! 8O 8O :LOLS:
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Yep, looks like Fist's right. The only person Brinn fights to get to Kenaustin Ardenol is Seadreamer and the First... and those only because Seadreamer doesn't want Brinn to go. And even then, it's not really fighting, though Brinn almost cuts his own fingers off on the first's sword.

Still, it's not a bad hypothesis. If you have to fight the ak-Haru to become the ak-Haru, it doesn't seem too far fetched to think there might be a little tournament to see who goes next. I don't think they'd have to fight the other bloodguard once they got there, though. That would in a way be implying that one of the bloodguard might not suffice.

And I turned that 666 upside-down.
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hmm didn't realize that I had such an Evil :drevil: amount of WGD. heh heh
Ya I guess you're right that I didn't remember because now I recall that the two of the remaining Haruchai
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lept off the Dromond to join the merewives and Brinn and... ?? :oops: stayed behind.


Again it shows the resoluteness of the breed of men when Brinn grabbed the First's sword and held on to it... Love to have known what was going through her mind as it was becoming a battle of wills and she realized "Stone and Sea! He actually will cut his fingers off... geez!" and she had to relent.

Hey how come there's not a Haruchai and Giant emoticons? heh heh
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