Which is Magick and Which is Not.

Post by **Viearus** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:22 am

In Witchcraft (Wicca) and Paganism Magic is prestidigitation (sleight of hand, illusionism) and Magick is indeed supranatural, as well as natural.
I hope Mr Donaldson doesn't object . . . .

Post by **A Gunslinger** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:10 pm

Viearus wrote: In Witchcraft (Wicca) and Paganism Magic is prestidigitation (sleight of hand, illusionism) and Magick is indeed supranatural, as well as natural.
I hope Mr Donaldson doesn't object . . . .

Why would he V?

Post by **Esmer** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:59 pm

does this have something to do with "Wild Magic" vs "Wild Magick"?

Post by **Relayer** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:22 pm

Wouldn't that be "Wylde Magick"?

Seriously, I've often thought that the people of the Land remind me of Pagans or Druids (not that this is unusual in fantasy novels). The various Lores of the Land would be analogous to Wiccan Magick.

Post by **Viearus** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:00 pm

A Gunslinger wrote:
Viearus wrote: In Witchcraft (Wicca) and Paganism Magic is prestidigitation (sleight of hand, illusionism) and Magick is indeed supranatural, as well as natural.
I hope Mr Donaldson doesn't object . . . .
Why would he V?

Because it's a serious spelling/linguistic error throughout the so far published Chronicles.

Post by **Creator** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:15 pm

Interesting thought ... post a Gradual Interview question to him about it!!

So far the only reference is:

Matthew Preuss wrote:Hello, Steve you're my hero! When I finally got around to reading The Chronicles of Thomas covenant I was blown away on every level. Recently I just had some luck getting a question through to Terry Brooks (I won a map for having my question chosen). Amidst this world of high technology what is the best way to fuse Eastern Mysticism with the Western Religious traditions? Also do you believe in real magick?

SRD wrote:<sigh> There's a trouble-maker in every crowd....

I don't try "to fuse Eastern Mysticism with the Western Religious traditions" because I don't hold with either of them. I just glean nuggets wherever I can; and the result is an undifferentiated mish-mash with which I'm quite comfortable.

Do I believe in "real magick"? I can't answer that until you define "real" and "magick". (This is *your* question. I'm not going to do all the work for you. <grin>) But I'll tell you this: I never have to look very far to find evidence of transcendence.

(12/21/2005)

Here's the link!!

www.stephenrdonaldson.com/fromtheauthor/gi_submit1.php

Post by **Relayer** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:50 pm

Viearus wrote:
A Gunslinger wrote:
Viearus wrote: In Witchcraft (Wicca) and Paganism Magic is prestidigitation (sleight of hand, illusionism) and Magick is indeed supranatural, as well as natural.
I hope Mr Donaldson doesn't object . . . .
Why would he V?
Because it's a serious spelling/linguistic error throughout the so far published Chronicles.

How so? Is the word "magic" even used in the Chronicles? (except maybe used generically by TC, Troy, or Linden, who likely have no familiarity w/ such things) I don't recall any Lord or anyone from that world using the term (?)

Besides, it's only an error to people who are familiar with Wicca/Paganism

Post by **Cameraman Jenn** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:56 pm

Wow, you guys are a tough crowd....someone should probably inform those Magic the Gathering guys cuz they made the same error....think of all the editions and billions of cards they will have to recall... the implications are staggering.

Post by **Nerdanel** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:30 pm

I heard that the only reason "magic" got to be called "magick" was that without the change Aleisteir Crowley couldn't get his numerology work out the way he wanted it to. The term caught on in the occult circles that wanted to be different. Still, for example, my spell checker still reds out the k version, as the variant spelling just isn't in general use.

Forthcoming in the next spelling reform (which is sorely needed to logicalize the English language): "Attic" is a space in the upstairs of the cottages of cute anthropomorphic mice and other children's fairytale characters. "Attick" is what real people have in their houses. "Hac", "pic" and "mattoc" are digging implements used by Dwarves, not to be confused with the real world words "hack", "pick", and "mattock". "Milc" is a magical drink while "milck" is what you can buy from a supermarket. C/CK will be added to the ends of the words that don't have the sound, so that it will be possible to differentiate between "horsec" and "horseck". In the name of logic and consistency, the C/CK suffix will always be pronounced.

Post by **CovenantJr** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:57 am

Nerdanel wrote:I heard that the only reason "magic" got to be called "magick" was that without the change Aleisteir Crowley couldn't get his numerology work out the way he wanted it to. The term caught on in the occult circles that wanted to be different. Still, for example, my spell checker still reds out the k version, as the variant spelling just isn't in general use.

Forthcoming in the next spelling reform (which is sorely needed to logicalize the English language): "Attic" is a space in the upstairs of the cottages of cute anthropomorphic mice and other children's fairytale characters. "Attick" is what real people have in their houses. "Hac", "pic" and "mattoc" are digging implements used by Dwarves, not to be confused with the real world words "hack", "pick", and "mattock". "Milc" is a magical drink while "milck" is what you can buy from a supermarket. C/CK will be added to the ends of the words that don't have the sound, so that it will be possible to differentiate between "horsec" and "horseck". In the name of logic and consistency, the C/CK suffix will always be pronounced.

Marry me, Nerdanel.

Post by **Silverleaf** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:33 am

The reason that magick is spelled with a K is to differentiate it and magic that an illusionist does, as just one example.

Real magick, by the way, can be created by those that follow a certain path, be it wiccan, pagan or other such ideological pursuits.

Cheers,

Post by **Wyldewode** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:30 am

Bartleby.com makes the very slight distinction:

Magick
NOUN: An action or effort undertaken because of a personal need to effect change, especially as associated with Wicca or Wiccan beliefs.

Magic
NOUN: 1. The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or forces by invoking the supernatural. 2a. The practice of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce supernatural effects or control events in nature. b. The charms, spells, and rituals so used. 3. The exercise of sleight of hand or conjuring for entertainment. 4. A mysterious quality of enchantment.

Post by **The Dark Overlord** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:42 pm

Post by **CovenantJr** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:14 pm

Nerdanel still hasn't accepted or declined my proposal.

Oh, how my tormented heart suffers under this unresolved affair!

Post by **Warmark** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:03 pm

No News is Good News

Post by **Ur Dead** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:42 am

Wild Magic: All you need is a piece of metal. Preferrd item is white gold.

Magick: You need rats, cats, dogs and llamas with the occational rabbit thrown in.

Post by **Creator** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:55 am

CovenantJr wrote:Nerdanel still hasn't accepted or declined my proposal. Oh, how my tormented heart suffers under this unresolved affair!

Still no new ... looks like you are TOAST my friend!!

Post by **CovenantJr** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:53 pm

Brushed off during the festive season. How cruel.

Post by **Nerdanel** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:33 am

Ummm.... I'm really confused by this Internet marriage stuff.

The mysteries of social interactions strike again. And to think that I found Internet communications simpler to handle...

Tsaloga on Pantheon is still available, but... Well, you know, she's an orc goddess.

Post by **CovenantJr** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:52 am

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