Lord Foul...the Necromancer? Plus ?s about Ill. Stone

[Lord Mhoram]

Throughout the First Chronicles, Lord Foul brought the dead back to life...could he considered a Necromancer? Did he practive necromamcy?

Or maybe, the ancient Illearth Stone was the tool of another Necromancer, maybe another evil long before Covenants time?

Far-fetched? Yes, but worth the discussion...or at least Im hoping it is... (just wanted to use that)

[amanibhavam]

throughout the First Chronicles? where? I think only after the Law of Death had been broken by Elena.

[Nerdanel]

I agree with amanibhaman about the Law of Death.

I think probably no one had used the Illearth Stone since Lord Foul had included it in the Land. It was in just a little bit too inconvenient a place deep inside the rock of Mount Thunder and people wouldn't have known to search for it.

[Vain]

I don't think the Illearth stone would have a name if it wasn't used before.

There is much abou the land of the past that we do not know. Maybe the King had a hold of it and that's what turned him?

[Lord Mhoram]

Didnt he use the Illearth Stone to resurrect those Dead creatures he was continually using?

[danlo]

Mayb the raver was?

[Padster]

The Illearth Stone didn't need to have a previous user to be named. I would imagine that the Lore of Kevin told him of the Banes under the earth, and it isn't beyond belief for the knowledge of their existance to be part of the First Ward. Therefore when TC delivered his message that Drool was about to uncover and get his hands on it, it was enough to put the heebe-geebes up the Lords and get their butts in gear.

Certainly no one had hold of it, at any time, until Drool unearthed it. It was buried under Mount Thunder after all, where loads of Urviles and Cavewights lived. Even at the time of the Old King and Berek, it is likely that the Viles lived there. I don't think any of them would have risked it, apart from not knowing the Banes were there.

If the Old King had had the Illearth Stone, then he would have kicked Berek's butt. After all the Staff of Law couldn't stop the dead Elena weilding it, when she was under the power of Foul and the Illearth Stone.

Drool would have known about the stone due to his association with the Ur-viles and due to the Lore that The Staff of Law would have given him. Similarly, if it wasn't specifically stated in the Lore of Kevin's Wards, The Lords then, obviously since they DID know, had discovered the existance of the Banes with their own research.

Lord Foul didn't use the Dead until the Power that Preserves, after Elena broke the Law of the Dead. The Giant Raver who attacked Revelstone also used the dead to break the Outer Gates of Revelstone, but also after Elena had done the deed.

Cheers Padster

[Lord Mhoram]

Oh, yea. Welcome, Padster!

Danlo, I agree. Maybe the Raver was...

[duchess of malfi]

The first person to call up the dead was High Lord Elena, when she broke the Law of Death. Then, as was stated, LF called up the dead and his Ravers called up the Dead in TPTP. I've always wondered about the dead lords who show up during TC and LF's confrontation. Were they acting on their own or was LF caling them up to mess with TC's mind, the way he called up the dead giant raver to mess with Foamy? The dead seem to rise of their own will in the second chronicles, but not in the first? Unless the dead lords do when they are at Foul's Creche??

[Warmark]

i always thought they appeared of their own accord. Kinda like " Oh! This guy Foul who we all fought against is about to lose , i wanna watch!"

[Vector]

i always thought they appeared of their own accord. Kinda like " Oh! This guy Foul who we all fought against is about to lose , i wanna watch!"

I would say they came of their own accord. Just like Covenant shows up at the end of WGW after Foul strikes him dead - this was planned on by Covenant, so he couldn't count on Foul summoning him.

[Variol Farseer]

The Illearth Stone didn't need to have a previous user to be named. I would imagine that the Lore of Kevin told him of the Banes under the earth, and it isn't beyond belief for the knowledge of their existance to be part of the First Ward. Therefore when TC delivered his message that Drool was about to uncover and get his hands on it, it was enough to put the heebe-geebes up the Lords and get their butts in gear.

Certainly no one had hold of it, at any time, until Drool unearthed it. It was buried under Mount Thunder after all, where loads of Urviles and Cavewights lived. Even at the time of the Old King and Berek, it is likely that the Viles lived there. I don't think any of them would have risked it, apart from not knowing the Banes were there.

Without giving any spoilers, I can say that there is a pretty definite sign in Runes of the Earth that someone had access to the Illearth Stone before the Desecration.

A hint: As you say, loads of ur-viles and Cavewights lived in Mount Thunder, where the Stone was buried. That doesn't mean nobody could have used it; it just means that whoever used it was most likely one of the various kinds of critters that lived in Mount Thunder.

[Sunbaneglasses]

The dead can appear anywhere they want-but can be dismissed as willed-Covenant says so at the end of WGW.The reason that they appear/congregate in Andelain at the time The Land is being ravaged by the Sunbane is because that was the one place of beauty left in The Land,and there were no people there to tell them to piss off.?

[Akasri]

Foul was using the Illearth Stone to warp people into the hideous creatures that he formed his army with. But it wasn't until after the end of TIW that he could actually use the stone to raise the dead back into animate form.

[Krilly]

I apologize for diverting here, but I don't want to waste topic space. I've been gone for awhile, so I'm out of the loop.

When's Fatal Revenant (is that still the title?) due for release?

[Warmark]

i believe SRD said 3 years for each book : hope for 2006 expect 2007