Fist and Faith wrote:OK, Fire, that's definitely a point worth considering. No, Mhoram didn't use that kind of thinking for his ultimate solution. But, though we don't know that Kevin didn't do similar things, we certainly don't know that he did. I think it comes down to what we discussed once on another thread: Exactly how were those who took the Oath of Peace different from the Old Lords? I'll see if I can find that thread. But NOW I understand where you're coming from!
And, btw, how freakin' cool is the battle between Trell and Tohrm?!
Confronting each other, standing almost face to face, the two Gravelingases wove their lore-secret gestures, sang their potent rhadhamaerl invocations. While the fire raged as if Revelstone were about to crash down upon them, they commanded the blaze, wrestled will against will for mastery of it.
Tohrm was exalted by Mhoram's support. With the High Lord's power resonating in every word and note and gesture, renewing him, fulfilling his love for stone, he bent back the desecration. After a last convulsive exertion, Trell fell to his knees, and his fire began to fail.
*WHEW* That's awesome!! It reminds me of Felagund vs Sauron. And, though they aren't examples of foe fighting foe, it also brings to mind two other situations.
1) Sunder and Hollian altering the Sunbane:
The Stonedowners chanted desperately, driving their exertion higher; but their voices made no sound. The incandescent beam absorbed their invocations directly into itself. Soundless force screamed across Linden's hearing.
2) When Kevin and Foul "uttered the Ritual of Desecration." I sure hope we get to see that!
Wheeeeeeeeeeee!! he SEES!! LOL!!
And I believe in you
altho you never asked me too
I will remember you
and what life put you thru.
~fly fly little wing, fly where only angels sing~
~this world was never meant for one as beautiful as you~
...for then I could fly away and be at rest. Sweet rest, Mom. We all love and miss you.
Taiga, I disagree. Foul would have remained! Getting Kevin out if what he wanted. So could break the Arch. The Lords were in his way of freedom--they prevented him from frely destroying the Arch, and just getting up and leaving would have done absolutely nothing. Kevin did the right thing!
"Damn!!! Wildwood was unbelievably cool!!!!!" - Fist&Faith
"Yeah Forestal is the one to be bowed to!! All hail Forestal of the pantaloon intelligencia!" - Skyweir
I'm not on the Watch often, but I always return eventually.
Lord Mhoram,
What do you mean? The Old Lords did not prevent Foul from destroying the Arch. He did not have that ability/power. The New Lords did not prevent it either, because he still did not have the ability.
In a manner of speaking, I suppose, Covenant prevented it in the 1st Chronicles by not giving Foul the ring, and in the 2nd by putting himself between Foul and the Arch after he did give Foul the ring.
As for Foul remaining if all humans left... The Despiser does not exist without beings capable of despite. If humans left, Foul wood have left also. Not as a matter of choice, but as a matter of being. Without humans, there is no Foul. He was not in the Land before humans came, and he wood not be here, or anywhere, if they left. (To be more precise, all beings of a certain type. A group that includes humans, as well as Haruchai, Giants, Ramen, etc. I use "humans" as the generic, because they were the first of this group to come to the Land.)
One wide forest of sentience and passion filled all the region - one mind and heart alive in every leaf and bough of every tree among the many myriad throngs and glory of the woods.
Taiga Tzu wrote:Did Kevin do the right thing???
Are you people serious??? I'll tell you what Kevin should have done - what we told him to do when he warned us of his plan. Get out of the Land!! The Ravers were not a problem after the Colossus of the Fall was created. It was humans that destroyed the One Forest, weakening the Colossus; humans that brought the Despiser into the Land; humans that kept Foul there. Humans in the Land was the problem!
Kevin told many of the humans to go. He told the Giants to go to sea. He told the Haruchai to go into the mountains. He should have told everybody else to go, and then followed them! The Ritual of Desecration did almost as much damage to the Forests as everything that had come before combined! Before it, the Colossus, with our help, was still strong enough. If he had NOT invoked it, and left, Foul would have left, and the Colossus and we would have returned the Land and the One Forest to its glory!
Depends on the species! If it is one that goes into an inhabited area, and colonizes that area by decimating those inhabitants - regardless of whether they of the same species, or something as different as the One Forest - then yes, I tend to worry more than somewhat.
Or if they do things like, oh, I don't know, enacting Rituals of Desecration, that wood also make me a bit wary of them.
One wide forest of sentience and passion filled all the region - one mind and heart alive in every leaf and bough of every tree among the many myriad throngs and glory of the woods.
Holy cow!!! You wouldn't believe what it took to get her outta here!! She was tearing the place apart! Branch sprouting out here, roots tearing up the floor there... Landwaster, please! You don't have to live with her!!
All lies and jest
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest -Paul Simon
just as a passing note... totally unrelated... why do u always write "wood" instead of "would"?
"Damn!!! Wildwood was unbelievably cool!!!!!" - Fist&Faith
"Yeah Forestal is the one to be bowed to!! All hail Forestal of the pantaloon intelligencia!" - Skyweir
I'm not on the Watch often, but I always return eventually.
One wide forest of sentience and passion filled all the region - one mind and heart alive in every leaf and bough of every tree among the many myriad throngs and glory of the woods.
promise it won't happen again!
What an odd question...