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YouTube · Post by **Menolly** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:18 pm

But, how would anyone know he was 'killed by Voldemort' if they didn't know he had drunk the potion? And, if they had known he had drunk the potion, then they would have known he had the holcrux, and it would probably no longer have been an unknown locket in Grimmauld Place.

I always assumed 'killed by Voldemort' meant hunt down and killed because Regulus attempted to leave the Death Eaters. I think Voldemort didn't know the locket was ever switched out, so Dumbledore didn't know either...

I am just hoping the locket is still at Grimmauld Place. Did they find it before or after Kreacher's disappearance to Narcissa in OotP? And if Narcissa does have it, I wonder if she'll use it over Voldemort for Draco's life?

Post by **sindatur** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:33 pm

Well, if you recall, even though Dumbledore was obviously dying, he did make it back to Hogwarts, so, Regulus could've made it back to Grimauld Place to die, you do make some good points though.

I hadn't considered Kreacher may have given it to Narcissa, I figured the Malfoys may end up with it, but, I expected them to end up buying it from Knockturn Alley if Dung had sold it. Draco served the Dark Lord well, letting in the Death Eaters through the Room of Requirement, and Snape stepped in and killed Dumbledore (None of the Book characters can be positive Draco wouldn't have done it himself) so, I wouldn't think Draco's life is in any kind of danger unless he refuses the Dark Lord's favors and doesn't turn further to the dark side in the coming book. but, for now, for his age, I would think the Dark Lord would be quite satisfied with his performance. Look at some of the other lunkheads in his employ.

YouTube · Post by **Menolly** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:44 pm

sindatur wrote:Well, if you recall, even though Dumbledore was obviously dying, he did make it back to Hogwarts, so, Regulus could've made it back to Grimauld Place to die, you do make some good points though.

Yes, Regulus would have made it back to Grimmauld Place. But, since he didn't want Voldemort to know he switched the lockets I suspect he kept that information to himself. And, if he brought Kreacher along with him, I doubt Regulus would have drunk the potion at all.

sindatur wrote:I hadn't considered Kreacher may have given it to Narcissa, I figured the Malfoys may end up with it, but, I expected them to end up buying it from Knockturn Alley if Dung had sold it.

Another possibility I hadn't thought of. But, Jo makes a point of saying Kreacher squirrels things out of the trash that he believes should be kept, and he would have had access to that more than Dung, IMO. I'm pretty sure Dung didn't help with the cleaning of Grimmauld Place.

sindatur wrote:Draco served the Dark Lord well, letting in the Death Eaters through the Room of Requirement, and Snape stepped in and killed Dumbledore (None of the Book characters can be positive Draco wouldn't have done it himself) so, I wouldn't think Draco's life is in any kind of danger unless he refuses the Dark Lord's favors and doesn't turn further to the dark side in the coming book. but, for now, for his age, I would think the Dark Lord would be quite satisfied with his performance. Look at some of the other lunkheads in his employ.

Definitely. But he left with Snape, who I believe is going to do his best to keep his vow to Narcissa and protect Draco from Voldemort. So, something's going to happen where Narcissa may be able to use the holcrux as a bargaining chip. At least, that's what I think I get out of any foreshadowing...

Post by **sindatur** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:04 pm

Ah, Okay, you're thinking of future troubles, yes definitely. Draco is on the brink, I agree Snape and Narcissa will do their best to protect him. I think this is especially important to Snape, because I truly believe the reason he turned on Voldemort was simply because he realized he wasn't as evil as he thought he was. Voldemort made him do something he couldn't stomach, and I don't believe it was being in love with Lily. I do have a hat and some crow along with some Seasalt to share with Jenn, if the Snape Loved Lily theory turns out to be true, I even have Catsup if you would like some, Jenn.

YouTube · Post by **Menolly** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:15 pm

sindatur wrote:Voldemort made him do something he couldn't stomach, and I don't believe it was being in love with Lily. I do have a hat and some crow along with some Seasalt to share with Jenn, if the Snape Loved Lily theory turns out to be true, I even have Catsup if you would like some, Jenn.

How's this for a really out there theory? Instead of Lilly, could Snape have been in love with Narcissa? Is it even possible she returned his love, but due to Snape's lack of finances, and the Malfoy's obvious fortune, or possibly Voldemort's preferences, she chose Lucious instead?

:::just grasping here; I don't really believe that, especially as I don't think we've ever seen either Narcissa or Lucious in school or at a young age, but it did just occur to me as a possibility:::

Post by **Cameraman Jenn** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:09 pm

Didn't I suggest a Snape Narcissa triangle on another thread in this forum? I think I offered up Narcissa and Tonks as other possible love interests for Snape.....didn't I? My Narcissa points are:

1. She runs to Snape for help to protect her son, this shows serious trust.
2. He doesn't hesitate to make the UNBREAKABLE vow for her.
3. She knows exactly where he lives....
4. In her only other appearance to date in the series, she appeared less than happy to be with Lucius. (In the Minister's Box at the Quiddich world cup).....

YouTube · Post by **Menolly** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:40 pm

I think you did, Jenn, but I don't know where. That's probably what planted the seed of the idea. I bet I dismissed th possibility as so not possible that I don't remember the post. But, after reading the possible reasons of why Snape could potentially turn to Voldemort if he loved Lilly and she spurned him, and then Snape leaving th Death Eaters if he caused Lilly to be killed, I could see the possibilty of her possibly returning his love but choosing Lucius instead.

Ah heack, I dunno... But, it is fun to speculate.

Post by **Kinslaughterer** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:10 pm

What's the chance Mundungus stole the locket from Grimmauld place? He may be carrying it around or perhaps already sold it?

Post by **A Gunslinger** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:12 pm

Kinslaughterer wrote:What's the chance Mundungus stole the locket from Grimmauld place? He may be carrying it around or perhaps already sold it?

Can't rule THAT out either...but look Harry has to find and destroy all of them within the confines of the book. Some of them have to be easy to find, right? There just eran't enuff pages for DH to do EVERYTHING it needs to if they have to spend all kinds of time tromping the world over to find these things.

Post by **Kinslaughterer** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:17 pm

Certainly, so which ones are going to be hard to find and which easy?

Post by **sindatur** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:31 pm

Kinslaughterer wrote:What's the chance Mundungus stole the locket from Grimmauld place? He may be carrying it around or perhaps already sold it?

Absolutely. We were even told in Book 6 that Dung had sold some stuff he knicked from Grimmauld Place (I think)

I'm much more on board with Snape being in love with Narcissa than with Lily. Didn't Old Lady Black's screeching painting have an affinity for Snape?

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