World War Hulk

[High Lord Tolkien]

Looks awesome.
And I never thought I'd ever use the word "awesome" to describe a Hulk series!

Hopefully it will be unlike the anticlimactic Civil War that also got me insanely interested in the beginning but then failed at the end.

[___]

I promise to kick ass and take names; I doubt I'll be allowed to actually kill either Reed Richards, Tony Stark or Nick Fury, but I do plan on making them regret ever messing with me.

[sgt.null]

well I expect some death. this is a pissed off Hulk we are talking about.

[High Lord Tolkien]

I just picked it up.
Totally totally AWESOME!

[dANdeLION]

[sgt.null]

so spoil. anyone dead yet>

[High Lord Tolkien]

Spoiler

Black Bolt (who is like the 3rd most powerful being on Earth? wtf? when did that happen?) is beaten pretty badly and looks like his jaw is broken/smashed/severly dislocated and his body badly beaten. But we don't actually see how it happens yet.)

[sgt.null]

thanks. with someone as powerful as the Hulk, there needs to be major damage for it to be believable.

[Xar]

thanks. with someone as powerful as the Hulk, there needs to be major damage for it to be believable.

I'm interested in seeing how they eventually stop him... given that before Planet Hulk a gamma bomb exploded when the Hulk was right in front of it, and he did not die, prompting several people, including the Hulk himself to believe that he cannot die...

[Usivius]

WHOA!
I was never a Hulk fan either, but ... wow.

I think I might have to pick this up.
And JR Jr. is pencilling??!!!! YAH! One of my all time faves!

Please tell me more... How does all this start. Gimme a back ground before I pick this up and get confused!

[dANdeLION]

My guess is the Illuminati has been infiltrated by Skrulls, and the people the Hulk ends up smashing will just be the Skrull infiltrators. If Stark ends up being a Skrull, that would pretty much be the end of the Civil War, too.

[Xar]

My guess is the Illuminati has been infiltrated by Skrulls, and the people the Hulk ends up smashing will just be the Skrull infiltrators. If Stark ends up being a Skrull, that would pretty much be the end of the Civil War, too.

Sounds possible, of course, but then they'd have to explain how did the Skrulls manage to get a hold of the various superpowers they needed for their charade - hopefully without exhuming the "skrull mutants" storyline used for Apocalypse: The Twelve. Besides, Marvel should be careful about playing this trick, as it could easily backfire ("I spent a year reading stuff about people who weren't even the real characters? I wasted money on a series of major events where half the characters were impostors?!").

[sgt.null]

well they gave the Super-Skrull powers. and a Stark Skrull would just have to climb into the armor. I hope it doesn't go this way, or at least not before the show who the New Hampshire heroes are.

[Xar]

well they gave the Super-Skrull powers. and a Stark Skrull would just have to climb into the armor. I hope it doesn't go this way, or at least not before the show who the New Hampshire heroes are.

On the other hand, Civil War showed several scenes - even up to the end, after the death of Cap - from Stark's point of view, with his own thoughts in the captions; while a Skrull could likely impersonate him, unless he/she has been brainwashed completely into BELIEVING he/she is indeed Stark, I don't see why a Skrull should regret Civil War and the fact he cannot speak with Cap anymore to tell him it wasn't worth it... Or how a Skrull could know all about Cap's and Iron Man's past (as shown in the special issue where the two of them met to talk, in the middle of Civil War)...

[aTOMiC]

Looks awesome.
And I never thought I'd ever use the word "awesome" to describe a Hulk series!

Hopefully it will be unlike the anticlimactic Civil War that also got me insanely interested in the beginning but then failed at the end.

WHOA!
I was never a Hulk fan either, but ... wow.

I think I might have to pick this up.
And JR Jr. is pencilling??!!!! YAH! One of my all time faves!

Please tell me more... How does all this start. Gimme a back ground before I pick this up and get confused!

You know it's people like you guys that made it possible for artists like Erik Larsen, Rob Leifeld and Mark Bagley to keep their tenuous hold on employment. For shame. I know. I know. Its all about personal tastes. I've been collecting comics since 1976 or so and I've seen worse to be sure but on the other hand I've seen the best. Some of the panels of this first issue were simply horrible. IMHO of course. Just my two cents. Don't hate me.

[High Lord Tolkien]

You know it's people like you guys that made it possible for artists like Erik Larsen, Rob Leifeld and Mark Bagley to keep their tenuous hold on employment. For shame. I know. I know. Its all about personal tastes.

I'm with you on Leifeld but Larson and Bagley too?

I love Larson's work.
It's basic, clean and classic.

Is there something about it that you don't like?

[dANdeLION]

I wouldn't describe Larson as 'clean' myself. He had the unfortunate assignment of taking over both the Hulk and Spiderman after Todd McFarlane quit them, and you couldn't help but notice he was seriously influenced by Todd. Later on I thought Eric moved away from that, going for more of a Kirby-esque look; I don't think he really succeeded all that much in either attempt. Bagley, on the other hand, has always had a cleaner style somewhat reminiscent of Romita. While I'm not a big fan of Bagley or Larson, I think they're each tons better than Leifeld, who has yet to master the basics of human anatomy.

[aTOMiC]

You know it's people like you guys that made it possible for artists like Erik Larsen, Rob Leifeld and Mark Bagley to keep their tenuous hold on employment. For shame. I know. I know. Its all about personal tastes.

I'm with you on Leifeld but Larson and Bagley too?

I love Larson's work.
It's basic, clean and classic.

Is there something about it that you don't like?

No worries guy. Art appreciation is subjective. I mean no disrespect to you when I say Larsen, Bagley and Leifeld suck. Its just my opinion. I'm not a fan and I would pass up a good story if any of those artists were involved. When it comes to comics I'm always about the art first.

[High Lord Tolkien]

You know it's people like you guys that made it possible for artists like Erik Larsen, Rob Leifeld and Mark Bagley to keep their tenuous hold on employment. For shame. I know. I know. Its all about personal tastes.

I'm with you on Leifeld but Larson and Bagley too?

I love Larson's work.
It's basic, clean and classic.

Is there something about it that you don't like?

No worries guy. Art appreciation is subjective. I mean no disrespect to you when I say Larsen, Bagley and Leifeld suck. Its just my opinion. I'm not a fan and I would pass up a good story if any of those artists were involved. When it comes to comics I'm always about the art first.

No no no...you already were very clear and nice about it

I know. I know. Its all about personal tastes

I was wondering about the details though.
Leifeld disturbs me because he makes legs that go right up to the shoulders and doesn't know how to posture anyone nicely.
And all his character's faces look the same.

Larson seems to me to be a dead-on classic comic artist.
Who happens to draw the sexiest most beautiful Invisible Woman ever btw!
Is that it? He fails to gain your respect because he favors "top heavy" women?
I can see your point there.
It does seem a little silly sometimes but comics are supposed to be silly and I think he does a good job.

[aTOMiC]

I completely agree with your assessment of Leifeld.

It does seem a little silly sometimes but comics are supposed to be silly and I think he does a good job.

Maybe you hit on something there. I prefer comic artists that have a realistic take on the subject. I know Sgt. Null seems to love Steve Ditko. I've always disliked the "goofy" approach. Larson's seemingly sloppy imitation of Todd McFarlane turned me off to the guy. Bagley's work is "rubbery" like the legendary Frank Robbins (who I dislike as well). If you wanna see what I find the ultimate comic artist check out Adi Granov. Every panel is like a fine artists rendering of a screen capture from a movie. I've dabbled in comic art personally and I seem to have developed a real dislike for what I perceive as clumsy or imprecise artistic style.

If I'm being completely honest, if I listed the artists that I DO like many people would probably be able to point out a few that are every bit as bad as the artists I've been picking on. In that regard I have no explanation.

Artists I like:
John Byrne
Adi Granov
Jim Lee
John Romita Sr.
Gil Kane
Gene Colan
George Perez
Gary Frank
Neal Adams
Dale Keown

There many more and artists that are pretty contemporary. I just can't make my brain access the data file containing that information.
All IMHO of course.