Lost Season 3

[sindatur]

When you die on the island, you are still dead and don't come back to life.

Mikhail was not killed by the sonic fence, both the Producers and Mikhail told us the fence wasn't turned up high enough to kill. As far as the spear Desmond shot him with, since we didn't see Mikhail get up, we can't really know how he survived it. Yes, the island will heal near fatal stuff, like merely removing the branch and Naomi's lung healed up in a day, but, once you die that's it.

[ItisWritten]

Mikhail was not killed by the sonic fence, both the Producers and Mikhail told us the fence wasn't turned up high enough to kill.

I wouldn't believe much that Mikhail says (at this point). When did the producers say that? Are you sure they didn't include words such as apparently or possibly? I know they have put some speculation to rest, but I haven't heard on this.

In any case, Charlie is a goner since Mikhail's recovery--like Locke's--seems enabled by belief, and Charlie believed he was gonna die.

[sindatur]

Mikhail was not killed by the sonic fence, both the Producers and Mikhail told us the fence wasn't turned up high enough to kill.

I wouldn't believe much that Mikhail says (at this point). When did the producers say that? Are you sure they didn't include words such as apparently or possibly? I know they have put some speculation to rest, but I haven't heard on this.

In any case, Charlie is a goner since Mikhail's recovery--like Locke's--seems enabled by belief, and Charlie believed he was gonna die.

It was in a podcast after the "possibly not dead" comment.

The Producers have said many times that the island can't cure death, that dead is dead. So, maybe they violated that rule with Mikhail, and then had to explain that it wasn't violated afterall?

[ItisWritten]

The Producers have said many times that the island can't cure death, that dead is dead. So, maybe they violated that rule with Mikhail, and then had to explain that it wasn't violated afterall?

It wouldn't be the first time their mysteries have led to way-off speculation, such as the they're-all-dead-in-purgatory theories.

So, Mikhail's body can endure extreme body piercing, and then go swimming in saltwater, plus explode a grenade all too close to himself, and that's not a cure for death? I suppose it's safe for him to go swimming right after eating a meatball sub too.

[sindatur]

But there's a difference between actually dying and being near death. Naomi had a branch in her lung, that punctured it, and she was up and walking around just fine a day later, and she's not even a resident, so may not know enough about the island to even have faith in it's healing powers. If Mikhail had ever been checked for vital signs, and ensured he was dead, then we might have some proof, but, nobody's ever made sure he was dead.

[Cagliostro]

Just curious...are we supposed to believe Mikhey is dead now with holding a grenade in his hand, or are they going to try to wiggle out of this?

Furthermore, it seems weird people are living through some bad stuff, while Boone and that guy who had been hunting Kate who had a piece of the plane sticking out of him died or were dying from their injuries. Would the marshal guy have gotten better if they hadn't taken him out? Or have the healing powers gotten stronger since the blowing of the hatch? Remember how long Locke had that wound around his eye in the first season? And notice how long wounds heal now. Is it bad writing, or is there a method?

[sindatur]

Well, Mikhail wasn't on the list of the 5 who die in May, and we didn't see a body after the grenade, so ya never know.

Boone, died of Internal bleeding, because Jack didn't know to treat him for internal bleeding, so he kinda drowned in his own blood, so really can't be compared.

The marshall is a good point though. Perhaps you have tio build a rapport/healthy respect with the island to benefit from it's best healing capabilities

[Lorelei]

It could be a more mundane explanation, such as that Naomi is working for Widmore, and came to the island only to kill Desmond. She lied about the finding of the plane, etc. Somehow Kate manages to keep running and hiding in plain sight and that the mistake Jack talks about is that they left SOME folks behind. Could be.

Could be a lot of things. Jack seems to regret leaving the island period. Why else would he wish to crash on it again? If he left people behind, he'd be trying to fix the problem. Jack needs diversions from his life, which is usually a mess, such as the accident that drew him away from suicide.

Cooper believed Locke was dead because he was on 815, so that places the lie about the plane above Naomi. Kill Desmond? I doubt her role was so specific. She did speak to Mikhail in Italian(?), which she never spoke again, and her English was unaccented. If she was delirious from her wound and speaking her native language to Mikhail, why did she talk to Hurley in English? I'm so glad Mikhail ain't dead, 'cause I want to know what she said.

I just finally caught up with the season finale this weekend and have some thoughts:

Remember when they first found Mikhail, there was an Other who suddenly started speaking to him in Russian. Perhaps there is a connection between some of the Others and Naomi. (oh and Naomi started speaking first in Spanish, then Italian and the in English)

What if the flash forward was from the perspective from someone else. I have a hard time believing Jack would think they weren't "supposed" to leave - thats more Locke like logic. There also doesn't seem to be any trace of romantic tension in the scene with Jack and Kate - Jack tells Kate he loves her outside of earshot of most of the other people.

Perhaps I am way off base but these are some observations I have made.

[sindatur]

It could be a more mundane explanation, such as that Naomi is working for Widmore, and came to the island only to kill Desmond. She lied about the finding of the plane, etc. Somehow Kate manages to keep running and hiding in plain sight and that the mistake Jack talks about is that they left SOME folks behind. Could be.

Could be a lot of things. Jack seems to regret leaving the island period. Why else would he wish to crash on it again? If he left people behind, he'd be trying to fix the problem. Jack needs diversions from his life, which is usually a mess, such as the accident that drew him away from suicide.

Cooper believed Locke was dead because he was on 815, so that places the lie about the plane above Naomi. Kill Desmond? I doubt her role was so specific. She did speak to Mikhail in Italian(?), which she never spoke again, and her English was unaccented. If she was delirious from her wound and speaking her native language to Mikhail, why did she talk to Hurley in English? I'm so glad Mikhail ain't dead, 'cause I want to know what she said.

I just finally caught up with the season finale this weekend and have some thoughts:

Remember when they first found Mikhail, there was an Other who suddenly started speaking to him in Russian. Perhaps there is a connection between some of the Others and Naomi. (oh and Naomi started speaking first in Spanish, then Italian and the in English)

What if the flash forward was from the perspective from someone else. I have a hard time believing Jack would think they weren't "supposed" to leave - thats more Locke like logic. There also doesn't seem to be any trace of romantic tension in the scene with Jack and Kate - Jack tells Kate he loves her outside of earshot of most of the other people.

Perhaps I am way off base but these are some observations I have made.

I think Naomi and her boat full of people are Dharma returning for their revenge. Ben is obviously very scared of the "wall" coming down that has been hiding them, so scared, he even went off by himself and put himself at Jack's mercy trying to convince him not to allow it. I don't think anyone is going anywhere, I think Jack's and Ben's people are gonna have to join together to fight off Dharma ("We're the Good Guys Jack") which will bring more importance to that whole Tattoo fiasco of an episode.

I've seen the "What if it wasn't Jack's perspective" argument before and have dismissed it as not making sense to me, since it's Jack we're seeing the episode revolve around. However, your point about "Not supposed to leave" being more like Locke's logic is compelling and undeniable to me. As far as a lack of romantic tension between Jack and Kate, I find that less compelling (although also possible) because the finale on the island is around Christmastime 2004, and the funeral is April 2007, so an awful lot can happen in 2 1/2 years, look at what's happened in just a little over 3 months. You definitely got me on the "Locke logic" argument though

[Lorelei]

Naomi being Dharma makes sense, though I am confused on why it took so long to relocate the island.

I am really anticipating what they do for next season!

[sindatur]

Naomi being Dharma makes sense, though I am confused on why it took so long to relocate the island.

I am really anticipating what they do for next season!

Ben's been keeping the locator beacon for the island hidden. I would assume that was to prevent Dharma from returning.

I assume Desmond talking to his buddy about his time travelling experience (In Flashes before your Eyes), ended up with his buddy realizing over the years that Desmond wasn't crazy aftrall, and things he said started coming to pass. In turn, this buddy would've gone to Penny and said something like "Hey you remember a few years back when Desmond was acting so weird, and he dumped you? Well, he told me this story about this freaky island, and you should look for an EMP burst".

In Season 2 finale, Penny's people finally found it. This info ended up getting back to Charles Widmore, who called Dharma/Hanso, and told them the time has come, go ahead and follow these coordinates (And beat Penny's team there). I think Widmore has to be involved, because the pic had to come from Penny, Desmond, or their families most likely.

[Ki]

My husband and I have decided to start from season 1...at least it is a fix until Lost FINALLY returns in February. Anyway, I noticed something interesting. In season 1, Charlie says he can't swim (when Jack saves Boone from drowning while Boone was trying to save a woman from drowning). Given what we now know about Charlie from season 3, what do you make of that? I don't think it was a mistake on the writers' part. Or I hope not anyway.

At first I thought that maybe his character had grown, becoming selfless and braver, but there are other instances in which Charlie comes through for others. For example, he saves Jack in season 1, volunteering to enter an unstable cave to help dig out Jack. And shooting Ethan to protect Claire.

Has anyone else noticed this?

[sindatur]

Charlie didn't say he can't swim, he said he doesn't, subtle difference. I assume something traumatic occurred to him swimming, so although he's capable he doesn't swim.

He was lying about being a Swimming champion in order to convince Jack to let him risk his life., and Desmond makes obvious to us on the canoe.

[Ki]

ah....good point. on both accounts.

[Elfgirl]

Don't forget that in Charlie's flashbacks, he did finally master the 'jumping into the pool' thing!

Well, I can finally participate in this - we just saw S3 finale last week. I'm worried about whose in teh coffin (NOT SAWYER!!!! PLEAAAAASE NO!!!)

[Kil Tyme]

Since that was a Flash Forward ep, I think that the occupant of the coffin is someone who we haven't met yet. Even the most hated person, (ie, Michael) would have had someone attend, even his son. Therefore, it had to be someone whom the lostees didn't really know or was a arsehole with a capital A, but Jack had some special affection for the person, whom I suspect we will meet this next season.

[ItisWritten]

Since that was a Flash Forward ep, I think that the occupant of the coffin is someone who we haven't met yet. Even the most hated person, (ie, Michael) would have had someone attend, even his son. Therefore, it had to be someone whom the lostees didn't really know or was a arsehole with a capital A, but Jack had some special affection for the person, whom I suspect we will meet this next season.

Now I disagree with this. Just about everyone who posted here (and we're a small percentage of viewers) has wondered who died. Leaving us to speculate over someone we can't know is a dirty trick, and the creators of the show know this. In fact, showing us the dead person that we hadn't met would have been a different mystery. The point of not showing is to keep us from knowing, that is, we would recognize him/her if we saw.

I believe it's someone who died because they left the island (Locke comes to mind).

[sindatur]

Why is it a dirty trick? It's a glimpse into the future, and they could introduce us to that person in the first cuple eps of S4.

I think it might be Michael, but, wouldn't consider it a dirty trick if it's someone we don't know yet.

[Cagliostro]

It's Jacob in the box.

Ahh...I dunno, but from what I had heard, it is as smaller than usual box. I don't remember it well enough to know for sure.

[ItisWritten]

At this stage of the series, it's not fair to present a mystery that we cannot reasonably speculate. There are 15+ characters it could be, but wait! There's more! That's a shell game without the chip.

Just my opinion, of course, but keeping secrets for the sole purpose of misleading the audience is not sound writing.

I'm still sour about the X-Files. Will Scully and Mulder get together? Oh. They've been sleeping together on and off for years. We just decided not to tell you.