Pantheon 2.0 - Game Thread

[Vadhaka]

Long and often hasty has been the discussion.

Argothoth, my brother, well said. Your work was a service to Erian as much as it was to yourself, and these petty godlings who bicker and whinge should wonder how they would sound whining from beneath the slimy tail of Nor Yekith while everything they loved was mutated beyond recognition.

So, to return to the meat of the matter.

Entering the mists is out of the question. The risk is unacceptable, and certain safeguards may be in place...

So...the AllFather denies us. Very well. I suggested him only that we may rest assured that the DRP we give will be used as intended.

Instead, I throw my support to Astavyastataa's plan.

1 DRP to him to take down the Star (only) and 1 to Maeror or Bhakti that the mutagens may be stopped, and whatever repairable repaired.

I do not sanction an attack on the remnants of Nor Yekiths followers. I do not care who they choose to worship instead. I strongly suggest that, unless you would provoke war, you allow them to realign as they wish, otherwise an attack will end up being one on another deity.

To the deity who mentioned it: We cannot set foot in Nor Pupae or "Yekithii" The unnatural compulsion on the land bars our followers still. And since I would not ask Melirelle to lose it's effects over her lands, and since we are informed that it must all be removed or none, it seems that for now, it must be lived with.

However, since Melirelle would know the most about it, perhaps she can think of a way to neutralise it over Immarel?

So. Put out the Star and neutralise the mutagens still loose in the world.

[O-gon-cho]

Does anyone know if there are any followers of Nor Yekith in Yekithii? Although the mutation wave caught those in Yekithii unaware, as Bhakti and Astavyastataa Kadna well know, Immeril itself has no higher intelligent creatures except for those brought in by the deities settling the lands from elsewhere. My understanding is the two cities shown on the map on the border of Yekithii are actually Astavyastataa Kadna's two settlements that were caught in the mutation wave. As such, it is my opinion that if the healing of the land can somehow reverse the mutations in that area, that Astavyastataa Kadna's lands and followers be returned to him.

I heard no rumors of immigrants to Yekithii after the mutation wave hit. Is it possible that except for Astavyastataa Kadna's mutated followers, there is no one else holding within Yekithii?

Back to bantering...

I have another question for you, Dearest. Girls like pink, right? What about dragons? Do they enjoy the color pink as well? Perhaps a blue-purple mixture would be better?

Ooo...my favorite color was pink for the longest time, brother...? sister...?

Hmmm...

Just what gender is the name Moxinomal anyway?

But dragons...well, sister Jove knows...dragons like the color gold...

[Astavyastataa Kadna]

I thank you cousin Vadhahka. *bows*

If the pantheon supports me I will procede as follows.

I will accept each DRP donated. I will NOT breach the mists nor attack the AllFather (tho I am intellectually interested in what would occur - I will NOT risk Eiran for my experimentation)

Any energy left over will be focused on mutagens and the non-sentinent creatures (ie., Hulkas (sp?)) and breeding dens. I will leave the 'populace' for Maeror's and Bahkti's redemption. [I recommend Maeror and Bahkti move AFTER the STAR is down.]

I do not believe that the 'curse' is present in Yekithii

I will leave cousin Argothoth and Adomorn to move forward as they feel best. However, I recommend they time their actions AFTER Maeror's and Bahkti's redemptive actions.

Is this consistent with your expectation cousin Vadhaka?

[Moxinomal]

Yes yes, all this seriousness with the Star and if AK should attack the AllFather or not is really bringing down my bantering.

Just so you know, I am male. And gold, it's a decent color. I don't think it's as good as the color of pink, but that's all a matter of opinion I suppose.

What about you, Bhakti? You're the God of Love, what are your thoughts on the color pink? Isn't it supposed to mean love or something? Can I give you a hug?

[Vadhaka]

Is this consistent with your expectation cousin Vadhaka?

It is. No attacks on the populace, and the DPR to be used to remove the star.

I do not care what the others do. You will have a DRP from me regardless, as shall Maeror or Bhakti, whichever is most appropriate.

*bows*

[Norn]

Argothoth, my brother, well said. Your work was a service to Erian as much as it was to yourself, and these petty godlings who bicker and whinge should wonder how they would sound whining from beneath the slimy tail of Nor Yekith while everything they loved was mutated beyond recognition.

I was quite aware of the danger Nor Yekith presented Vadhaka Chorah. I had no desire to be crushed beneath the tail of the Black Worm and as such I prepared myself against him and his foul mutation, although I did not tell you of these endeavours just as you did not tell me of yours. I think therefore I have earned the right to whinge as I see fit within your scorn.

Cousin Astavyastataa Kadna, I will gift you a part of my power to bring down the Star of Yekith if that is your intention.

[Vadhaka]

To be honest sister, I was not thinking of you at all. Indeed, I was generalising terribly, for which I apologise.

It merely irks me to see this called a crime that we should try and judge Argothoth for, that is all.

[Benito Alvarez]

I am caught between the two ways of thinking in this matter.

On the one side, Argothoth has done nothing with his army except work with me in the Protection of Eiran.

On the other hand, should he decide to make himself dictator, it would be a very difficult matter for us to stop him. His size is his shield.


I will wait, and deliberate and think more before taking a stance.

[Xar]

However, since Melirelle would know the most about it, perhaps she can think of a way to neutralise it over Immarel?

So. Put out the Star and neutralise the mutagens still loose in the world.

Melirelle

The compulsion only extends to Khenstorn; Immeril is under no such effect. And to answer the Goddess of Light's doubts, none of Nor Yekith's followers, or mine for that matter, are on Immeril that I know of. In fact, as a sign of good will, I'm more than willing to renounce any claim I might have on Yekithii or Immeril: I have my own lands, and I believe Immeril should be left to others.

Nevertheless, I would advise that if an attack there must be on Nor Pupae, the attack be stayed until Nor Yekith's erswhile followers have chosen whether to align themselves with another god or not. As it was pointed out before, this choice may affect the area of the Khenstorn Gods's lands if, for instance, a whole city converts to my worship or that of Argothoth. If that were to happen, well-intentioned attacks thought to be carried out in Nor Yekith's lands and upon Nor Yekith's people might be discovered to have been inadvertently carried out in mine or Argothoth's lands, and upon mine or Argothoth's people.

As for Argothoth's raising of the dead, God of Murder - I think I made my point already. A God of Love who agrees to it, stripping his dead followers of any choice as to whether to return to the world or not, and all in order to ensure that Nor Yekith could be defeated, is no God of Love in my eyes. And I believe other gods have now seen, as I have, his darker nature. Let every god make of it what he or she will.

[Vadhaka]

If the compulsion only covers Khenstrom, then I am more than happy to ignore it, since the gods of Khenstrom are unaffected by it.

And once again, I strongly agree that there should be no attack this turn on Nor Pupae, nor will I be aiding such an attack, or condoning it.

As for the raising of the dead, while I see your point, I do not agree with it. And furthermore, if, as has been claimed, you yourself contributed to it, I see no reason to point fingers at anyone else doing so. *shrug* But as far as I am concerned, that issue is closed now.

Done is done. We can only move forward into the future. For what it is worth, my trust in Argothoth is undiminished, but I have no cause to oppose you personally.

Let us see what the future may bring.

[Argothoth]

Vadhaka, i thought on it.
I think that i will not attack Nor Yekith's lands. I agree with you.

I will start to gather MY undeads to my cities and my lands but they are a lot. The lands of Yekith could be a good point in which settle my undeads, 'cause i don't want they were scattered all around Eiran.
I hope i will have the help of Odal to gather them all.

If i can't settle my undeads on Nor's lands, i will have problem to settle them.

So if it is the will of the Pantheon to not allow me to have a part of the Yekith's land, i ask formally here to Undine, the permission to settle my undeads in the water of the ocean near my cities.

[Vadhaka]

I see no reason why your followers can't settle in Nor Pupae. I have no doubt that some of Nor's godless followers will convert to you anyway, perhaps entire cities, given that you already have a presence in the region.

[Argothoth]

the problem is, if i find resistance to my domain, i will need to repress the resistance...

It will be, in facts, an attack to the ex-followers of Yekith, and we said till now, that we don't want to attack the lands of nor yekith...

[Vadhaka]

A turn from now though, once the people have realigned, and you can deal with any resistance or opposition and be certain of your target.

As it stands, attacks now might inadvertantly end up affecting somebody else by accident.

One turn will not make that much difference I think.

[Astavyastataa Kadna]

...
Cousin Astavyastataa Kadna, I will gift you a part of my power to bring down the Star of Yekith if that is your intention.

It is and I thank you. *bows*

However, since Melirelle would know the most about it, perhaps she can think of a way to neutralise it over Immarel?

So. Put out the Star and neutralise the mutagens still loose in the world.

I have my own lands, and I believe Immeril should be left to others....

Nevertheless, I would advise that if an attack there must be on Nor Pupae, the attack be stayed until Nor Yekith's erswhile followers have chosen whether to align themselves with another god or not...

I am pleased that you renounce any potential for claim on Immeril. *bows*

As I have committed to cousin Vadhaka; my DESTRUCTION will target only the STAR, the mutagens themselves, and the KILLING machines and BREEDING DENS (unless the Pantheon believes these should be spared). Followers of Nor will be allowed to chose deities as they may. I will not harm them.

Will you contribute part of your power as Vadhaka and Norn have committed for this noble effort?

[Xar]

As I have committed to cousin Vadhaka; my DESTRUCTION will target only the STAR, the mutagens themselves, and the KILLING machines and BREEDING DENS (unless the Pantheon believes these should be spared). Followers of Nor will be allowed to chose deities as they may. I will not harm them.

Melirelle

While the Star is none of my doing and its destruction does not concern me, other things do. The mutagens themselves cannot be destroyed without destroying their source, they can only be stopped; and that source is linked to the earth since before I ascended to power. The breeding pits and the flesh-farms of Nor Yekith are a part of life in Nor Pupae, a source of nourishment for the inhabitants and integral part of its economy; even more, they are an integral part of the life of its inhabitants. Cousin, be warned that you risk making enemies of the people of Nor Pupae if your hand destroys their way of living - it would be just like when Nor Yekith's Yekithii conquered your sietches, and you requested - justly - that they be reverted to normality. Furthermore, many of my followers in Nor Pupae make use of these locations too - and I would not have them destroyed. As for the "killing machines" - know that there are none, or rather, that the creatures developed in Nor Pupae are beings with minds and consciousness, and they are capable of worshiping gods. Because of this, they might turn to the worship of a Khenstorn God or even another god, in the chaos left by Nor Yekith; destroying them might turn out to be the destruction of a good number of mine or Argothoth's followers.

[Vadhaka]

Agreed. Only the removal of the Star and the prevention of the spread of mutagens should be the goal for this turn.

AK for the star, and Murrin or Bhakti for preventing further mutations.

[O-gon-cho]

Melirelle

The compulsion only extends to Khenstorn; Immeril is under no such effect. And to answer the Goddess of Light's doubts, none of Nor Yekith's followers, or mine for that matter, are on Immeril that I know of. In fact, as a sign of good will, I'm more than willing to renounce any claim I might have on Yekithii or Immeril: I have my own lands, and I believe Immeril should be left to others.

Vadhaka, i thought on it.
I think that i will not attack Nor Yekith's lands. I agree with you.

I will start to gather MY undeads to my cities and my lands but they are a lot. The lands of Yekith could be a good point in which settle my undeads, 'cause i don't want they were scattered all around Eiran.
I hope i will have the help of Odal to gather them all.


If i can't settle my undeads on Nor's lands, i will have problem to settle them.

So if it is the will of the Pantheon to not allow me to have a part of the Yekith's land, i ask formally here to Undine, the permission to settle my undeads in the water of the ocean near my cities.

:::curtsying with deepest respect:::

Brother Argothoth...

I had renounced being given the right to Immeril due to my hatching there many Turns ago. But if I had accepted that gift, I would now gladly extend the offer of settling in the southern half of Immeril in what is currently known as Yekithii to you and your undeads. Once Astavyastataa Kadna's cities and lands are returned to him, I see no conflict with your undeads moving there as there are no followers of other G-ds in those lands. If that land is not enough, then move in to Nor Pupae after those who are there have realligned themselves.

May I extend warmest welcome to you and yours to Immeril.

However, since Melirelle would know the most about it, perhaps she can think of a way to neutralise it over Immarel?

So. Put out the Star and neutralise the mutagens still loose in the world.

I have my own lands, and I believe Immeril should be left to others....

Nevertheless, I would advise that if an attack there must be on Nor Pupae, the attack be stayed until Nor Yekith's erswhile followers have chosen whether to align themselves with another god or not...

I am pleased that you renounce any potential for claim on Immeril. *bows*

I stand with Astavyastataa Kadna in this, sister. Thank you.
:::curtsying again:::

[Mistress Cathy]

I would like to ask a question:

Why does the star need to be taken down now? We can walk into Nor Pupae with little difficulty now and see with our own eyes what Nor Yekith did.

I see a very large red flag going up when I hear of gods giving power to the god of destruction to destroy.

[Bhakti]

I do not believe we can take the chance that things under the Star will not grow even without Nor Yekith's presence, and threaten all. And it would be much easier to see what is there by taking the Star down than by sending followers in. (And that would be putting our followers at great risk.) (Of course, it need not be the God of Destruction who takes down the Star, but that is another matter.)

However, we have not mentioned that Nor Yekith has been God of Disease for many seasons. Mutagens are not remotely the only danger under the Star. I propose this:
-We each give AK a DRP to take down the Star.
-We each give Maeror a DRP to search for Diseases/Plagues after the Star falls.
-We each give me a DRP to study the Mutagens after the Star falls, and how they fit into the Natural life-cycles of Nor Pupae. (As Melirelle says, there could be catastrophic danger to the inhabitants if we simply destroy the Mutagens.)

Then, next turn:
-We each give Maeror a DRP to eradicate whatever needs eradicating, and/or give immunity to the rest of Eiran.
-We each give me a DRP to neutralize whatever Mutagens can be neutralized without harming the Natural flow of life in Nor Pupae, and set up a barrier around Nor Pupae that will neutralize any Mutagens that pass through it.