Haruchai Telepathy?

Post by **balon!** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 7:19 pm

White Gold Wielder

Until the previos night, when Brinn had left the quest to take on his role as ak-Haru Kenaustin Ardenol, Cail had never been alone in his chosen duty; and the mental interconnection of his people had kept him aware of what took place around him. But now he was alone.

Does this quote show how the Haruchai know what happens to each and thus their inability to tell stories with much detail, because there kin already know?

Post by **Forestal** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 7:26 pm

no, the haruchai were capable of telling stories, as w're shown by tull in the 1st crons, and by cail in the 2nd crons. remember the haruchai tell the unbeliever that the haruchai are testing themselves because of the ak-haru... they could not have known this if cail had not told the story of it...

haruchai are not unable, just unwilling... when they tell their kin, they understand because they all think similarly, because of the psychic link... when they tell others, they are not psychically connected, so they understand things differently.

for example when cail is tested, covenant doesn't understand, but the haruchai have already decided apon it.. we all think differently, the haruchai think its fine, covenant thinks it unnessissary.

Post by **variol son** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 10:54 pm

I dunno. Although it's been years since i read Gildenfire, I seem to remember that when the haruchai spoke to each other, SRD had their dialogue in italics. I had always thought that thjis suggested some sort of unspoken communication.

Sum sui generis
Vs

Post by **Landwaster** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 10:56 pm

The speak with little or no inflection which I think is indicative of their ability and comfort with transmitting messages directly mind2mind.

If you could hear what they were thinking as well as what they were saying you'd get all the gossip and possibly a lot more profanity.

Post by **variol son** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 11:04 pm

I don't know if I can imagine Bannor thinking that he's sick of looking after this *@&%$#!!!

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Vs

Post by **Landwaster** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 11:07 pm

Maybe not, but spoken word by the Haruchai is probably almost like taking notes shorthand for us.

Extra questions : did the haruchair have this skill, or was it only the Bloodguard? Was it vowborne?

Also, the Bloodguard/haruchai spoke as thought the language was alien to them (eg, making effort to find the words, and probably having an accent). I usually assumed duh, they're another people from another country ... but maybe its because they almost never spoke out loud at all, back in Haruland.

Post by **variol son** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 12:05 am

Landwaster wrote:Also, the Bloodguard/haruchai spoke as thought the language was alien to them (eg, making effort to find the words, and probably having an accent). I usually assumed duh, they're another people from another country ... but maybe its because they almost never spoke out loud at all, back in Haruland.

Good point. i never thought of that.

Sum sui generis
Vs

Post by **Landwaster** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 12:25 am

(I'm quite proud of it, actually)

But think of their mountain villages, then. Basically no audible speech. As a tourist, I'd feel like I was visiting the Village of the Damned.

Post by **variol son** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 2:49 am

I wonder how difficult it was for them to learn to speak out loud? Could they do it, but just chose not to? Or did they have to learn how?

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Vs

Post by **Landwaster** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 3:13 am

Well considering they had the capability (they had mouths and vocal chords and were able to communicate audibly when they met the Lords), I honestly presume they did speak, but it just wasn't nearly as integral a part of their lifestyle as it is for other folks.

Surely considering they had the physical ability to speak, then they wouldhave enunciated cries of pain when they stood on a sharp rock and so on ... they must have found some usage for the ability.

Post by **Revan** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:09 am

What about whrn they talked to there women. Did they possess this gift?

Post by **variol son** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:26 am

Can' see why they wouldn't.

Sum sui generis
Vs

Post by **hierachy** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:29 am

Darth Revan - you are reformed, you have returned in another form, anyone who is observant will learn your true identity.

Whats that about haruchai women?

Post by **jehannum_2000** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:55 am

And a Brummie to boot!

In which part of our esteemed city do you live?

Do you know Great Barr at all?

Pete.

Post by **Lord Luof** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 12:30 pm

Well this is a very interesting question.
I would suggest that they did have something, not exactly telepathy. These men were not like the Lords.

Nevertheless, and I mean that, never the less, because they were potent, they had something of a way to communicate among the entire bloodguard. When Banner was pushed to the brink from Thomas Covenant as he made the bloodguard speak the name of the seventh ward's hidden power, they all felt that deciet once Elena called Kevin from the dead. This was exponentially exasperated when Korik returned with the fragment of the illearth stone. They all expired their vow simultaneously, all at once, and it was over.

Sarah sort of sees it, and we all do, in a state of love gone wrong. I always believed that the Harachi performed their original vow out of love for the lords of old & then they lost all emotion.
Sarah McLachlin: Stupid
"How stupid could I be?
A simplton could see
That your no good for me
But you're the only one I see"

Post by **Ylva Kresh** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 8:21 pm

I think the talking in italics is just emphasising that they use their own native language, not that they have supernatural powers. On the contrary, I think they have very natural Powers.. I believe that they are very sensitive to small shifts in posture/mimics and seemingly unaware movements, thereby "reading" their own people easily.

Example: TIW, Knowledge.

Slowly, Bannor turned toward the First Mark. They regarded each other in silence for a long moment. Then Morin faced the High Lord with a magisterial look in his eyes. "High Lord", he said, "we do not know the name of the Seventh Ward´s power"...

To read their own people with such high precision might have made what we call expressing strong emotion unnecessary, therefore their seemingly cold expressions. It might also have made it hard for them to read people that were not Haruchai...?

Post by **jehannum_2000** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:49 am

Have you ever read books called The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant?

In it there is a group of people called the Bloodguard who undoubtedly possess the supernatural, telepathic, and verbal ability to communicate with each other.

This ability is not confined to the Bloodguard, but is shared by all of the Haruchai.

Remember the 2nd Chrons, in Revelstone, when Brinn speaks to Covenant?

'Covenant had never heard the mind-speech of the Haruchai before.'

They're not just good at body language! They're not just 'in touch' with each other's emotions, like a group of gay men that know each other's thoughts.

Peter.

Post by **Svlad Cjelli** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:20 pm

First Post. Glad I found you.

Don't you think that would've made it extremely difficult to settle disputes amongst themselves. Or are we talking about the ability to transmit, but not poll? When they are at the One Tree and the Haruchai fights the Guardian Haruchai (sorry I forgot both their names

) why wouldn't everything just come to a stand still?

Post by **danlo** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:48 pm

jehannum! You're mean!!!

Post by **balon!** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:16 pm

Seriously Jehannum whats the point in that, come on.

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