What was samadhi's fate? (SPOILER)

A place to discuss the books in the FC and SC. *Please Note* No LC spoilers allowed in this forum. Do so in the forum below.

Moderators: Orlion, kevinswatch

Post Reply
User avatar
jehannum_2000
Stonedownor
Posts: 48
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2003 2:59 pm

What was samadhi's fate? (SPOILER)

Post by jehannum_2000 »

Any conjecture on what actually became of Sheol after he was 'rent' (which I take to mean 'torn into separate shreds of existence') by Honninscrave and Nom? Some of his powers were obviously conferred to Nom, but what of the rest of him?

What parts of him were extant? Could he be restored by Foul in the same way that all three Ravers were enhanced in power in the ancient times?

The end of the 2nd Chrons is quite spooky when we track down to Herem and -ahem ... Jehannum cowering there. Will samadhi ever make a return?

Pete.
Last edited by jehannum_2000 on Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
variol son
The Gap Into Spam
Posts: 5777
Joined: Fri Apr 05, 2002 1:07 pm
Location: New Zealand

Post by variol son »

Spoiler
I don't think he will come back as such, but if Foul is playing around with time, we may meet a younger version, perhaps pre-King of Doriendor Corishev.
Sum sui generis
Vs
Last edited by variol son on Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
You do not hear, and so you cannot be redeemed.

In the name of their ancient pride and humiliation, they had made commitments with no possible outcome except bereavement.

He knew only that they had never striven to reject the boundaries of themselves.
User avatar
hierachy
Lord
Posts: 4813
Joined: Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:20 pm

Post by hierachy »

please....can you put spoiler alerts?
User avatar
variol son
The Gap Into Spam
Posts: 5777
Joined: Fri Apr 05, 2002 1:07 pm
Location: New Zealand

Post by variol son »

Sorry, guess I assumed everyone had read that thread. Please forgive me.

Sum sui generis
Vs
You do not hear, and so you cannot be redeemed.

In the name of their ancient pride and humiliation, they had made commitments with no possible outcome except bereavement.

He knew only that they had never striven to reject the boundaries of themselves.
User avatar
hierachy
Lord
Posts: 4813
Joined: Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:20 pm

Post by hierachy »

np, when I realized what it was about I covered my eyes and found out nothing; otheras may not be so fortinate (or am I the only one that hasn't finished the chrons yet?
User avatar
aTOMiC
Lord
Posts: 24974
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:48 am
Location: Tampa, Florida
Has thanked: 19 times
Been thanked: 13 times
Contact:

Post by aTOMiC »

My impression is that whatever that may have remained of Sheol was absorbed by Nom. imo
"If you can't tell the difference, what difference does it make?"
Image

"There is tic and toc in atomic" - Neil Peart
User avatar
Landwaster
The Gap Into Spam
Posts: 3781
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:09 am
Location: Brisbane, Qld, Australia
Contact:

Post by Landwaster »

Yeah clearfrontier ... I agree ... though what of the chance that we now have a possessed raving Sandgorgon running around creating havoc?

Maybe Sheol had gone deliberately limped, cackling wildly to himself, waiting for the Sandgorgon to drop his guard.

(I will never name the Sandgorgon)
Do you think I like being this dangerous?
User avatar
Fist and Faith
Magister Vitae
Posts: 25503
Joined: Sun Dec 01, 2002 8:14 pm
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 57 times

Post by Fist and Faith »

Could be, Landwaster. I wonder if samadhi will eventually gain the upper hand, and possess Nom. A slow, insidious process that nobody, certainly not Nom, would notice.

(I'm not so worried about naming him. Even if I didn't have pretty powerful friends, we have learned from Hergrom and Ceer's defeat, and will prevail if we must fight again.)
All lies and jest
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest
-Paul Simon

Image
User avatar
Landwaster
The Gap Into Spam
Posts: 3781
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:09 am
Location: Brisbane, Qld, Australia
Contact:

Post by Landwaster »

Fist and Faith wrote:Could be, Landwaster. I wonder if samadhi will eventually gain the upper hand, and possess the Sandgorgon. A slow, insidious process that nobody, certainly not the Sandgorgon, would notice.
That's my fear. Additionally, considering that the Ravers could possess hordes of rats, masses of eels, its possible that there could end up being a troop of Sandgorgons marching to the beat of the Corruption drum.
Fist and Faith wrote:(I'm not so worried about naming him. Even if I didn't have pretty powerful friends, we have learned from Hergrom and Ceer's defeat, and will prevail if we must fight again.)
Sheeze you mountainfolks are stubborn. :)
Do you think I like being this dangerous?
User avatar
Forestal
Bloodguard
Posts: 956
Joined: Wed Feb 19, 2003 4:22 am
Location: Andelain
Been thanked: 1 time

Post by Forestal »

By god, yes, stubborn!
"Damn!!! Wildwood was unbelievably cool!!!!!" - Fist&Faith
"Yeah Forestal is the one to be bowed to!! All hail Forestal of the pantaloon intelligencia!" - Skyweir

I'm not on the Watch often, but I always return eventually.
Azurophyte

Post by Azurophyte »

I doubt a raver could possess a Sandgorgon. They were able to possess beings based on their power. They could possess one human at a time usually. The creatures at the end of the second chronicles in kiril threndor had no will of their own so one raver was able to possess them both. Lesser creatures such as rats and eels could be possessed in multitudes. Giants and Haruchai were too powerful. Sandgorgons are a challenge for wild magic, so i guess a raver wouldnt stand a chance. I mean, nothing in the land could "destory a raver." Even the forestal of garroting deep (name?). Nom does it straight away.
User avatar
Fist and Faith
Magister Vitae
Posts: 25503
Joined: Sun Dec 01, 2002 8:14 pm
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 57 times

Post by Fist and Faith »

Azurophyte wrote:I doubt a raver could possess a Sandgorgon. They were able to possess beings based on their power. They could possess one human at a time usually. The creatures at the end of the second chronicles in kiril threndor had no will of their own so one raver was able to possess them both. Lesser creatures such as rats and eels could be possessed in multitudes. Giants and Haruchai were too powerful.
You may be right. It may be a high level of power in the intended victim that prevents Ravers from possessing. But it may also be what Linden was thinking:
The Giants and Haruchai had always been able to refuse. Perhaps because they had not suffered the Land's long history of Ravers, they had not learned to doubt their autonomy. Or perhaps because they used little or no outward expressions of power, they comprehended more fully that true choice was internal.
Azurophyte wrote:Sandgorgons are a challenge for wild magic, so i guess a raver wouldnt stand a chance. I mean, nothing in the land could "destory a raver." Even the forestal of garroting deep (name?). Nom does it straight away.
I'd say Honninscrave did it. He held the Raver within himself, even as the Raver tried to get out. I doubt this had ever been done before. We certainly never witnessed it before. Being trapped in Honninscrave at the moment of death is what hurt samadhi so badly. Yeah, Nom did the physical act of killing Honninscrave, but he would have died, and samadhi would have been rent, if the ceiling broke and fell on him. Then Nom ate up the pieces. :)


(Oops, excuse me a minute. Someone else wants to say something, and I'm glad I'm not in your shoes! :LOLS:)
All lies and jest
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest
-Paul Simon

Image
User avatar
Taiga Tzu
Elohim
Posts: 131
Joined: Wed May 28, 2003 4:18 am
Location: THE ONE FOREST
Contact:

Post by Taiga Tzu »

Azurophyte wrote:Even the forestal of garroting deep (name?).
*sputter*
:x :x
*unintelligable (probably for the best) words*

"name"??? Are you referring to Caerroil Wildwood??? "name" indeed!!!
One wide forest of sentience and passion filled all the region - one mind and heart alive in every leaf and bough of every tree among the many myriad throngs and glory of the woods.Image
User avatar
Fist and Faith
Magister Vitae
Posts: 25503
Joined: Sun Dec 01, 2002 8:14 pm
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 57 times

Post by Fist and Faith »

All right! Simmer down there, Taiga! Not everybody's a Forestal, and not everybody is required to commit every Forestal fact to memory. Now play nice!
All lies and jest
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest
-Paul Simon

Image
User avatar
Taiga Tzu
Elohim
Posts: 131
Joined: Wed May 28, 2003 4:18 am
Location: THE ONE FOREST
Contact:

Post by Taiga Tzu »

OK. OK.

*deep breaths*

Sorry, Azurophyte. I get a little worked up sometimes.
One wide forest of sentience and passion filled all the region - one mind and heart alive in every leaf and bough of every tree among the many myriad throngs and glory of the woods.Image
User avatar
Revan
Drool Rockworm's Servant
Posts: 14284
Joined: Wed Feb 12, 2003 1:08 pm

Post by Revan »

Hierachy wrote:np, when I realized what it was about I covered my eyes and found out nothing; otheras may not be so fortinate (or am I the only one that hasn't finished the chrons yet?
Yeah, you probably are. :D
Post Reply

Return to “The First and Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant”