Which are the Two Towers
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Which are the Two Towers
I have always thought of the two towers as Minas Tirith (former Minas Anor) and Minas Morgul (former Minas Ithil). But according to the Peter Jackson movies it is in fact Orthanc and Barad-dur.
I have also found other twin towers in the book...
What do you think?
I have also found other twin towers in the book...
What do you think?
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"I am not at all happy about the title 'the Two Towers'. It must if there is any real reference in it to Vol II refer to Orthanc and the Tower of Cirith Ungol. But since there is so much made of the basic opposition of the Dark Tower and Minas Tirith, that seems very misleading."
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien No 143, dated 1954
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien No 143, dated 1954
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Minas Tirith is mentioned only in passing by Aragorn, Faramir, Gandalf, Theoden and a few others. It does not actually appear in book 3 or 4 at all. The Two Towers, as Tolkien himself was at pains to say and as Lord Foul has highlighted, referred to Cirith Ungol and Orthanc.Ylva Kresh wrote:It does too... I think Gandalf tells Pippin about it while they ride? At least it is mentioned several times as an counterpart against Minas Morgul.
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In Letters, Tolkien did indeed say that the 'two towers' were Orthanc and Cirith Ungol. However, in the endnote to The Fellowship of the Ring, he explains that the title refers to Orthanc and Minas Morgul.
Actually, he came up with the title The Two Towers in sheer desperation. It wasn't his idea to chop LOTR into three volumes, and Books III and IV have no connexion to one another at all. He was grasping at straws. At first, the best title he could come up with was The Shadow Lengthens, which is unbelievably wretched. At least The Two Towers sounds like it might mean something.
Actually, he came up with the title The Two Towers in sheer desperation. It wasn't his idea to chop LOTR into three volumes, and Books III and IV have no connexion to one another at all. He was grasping at straws. At first, the best title he could come up with was The Shadow Lengthens, which is unbelievably wretched. At least The Two Towers sounds like it might mean something.
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Well, we can say for sure that one of the Two Towers is Orthanc, then, but I'm not sure if it's Morgul or Cirith for the second one, since two sources are saying something different about the same thing. *Shrugs*Variol Farseer wrote:In Letters, Tolkien did indeed say that the 'two towers' were Orthanc and Cirith Ungol. However, in the endnote to The Fellowship of the Ring, he explains that the title refers to Orthanc and Minas Morgul.
Actually, he came up with the title The Two Towers in sheer desperation. It wasn't his idea to chop LOTR into three volumes, and Books III and IV have no connexion to one another at all. He was grasping at straws. At first, the best title he could come up with was The Shadow Lengthens, which is unbelievably wretched. At least The Two Towers sounds like it might mean something.
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