Elohim vs Vain : What Gives ?

[The Creator]

Kasreyn,

I think the problem Findail had with TC using the ring is that in TC's defensive blasts of wild magic to save himself from the Worm, he would use SO much wild magic that the AoT couldn't contain the battle and he would break it. This would cause the destruction of everything within it. i.e. the Earth itself.

Akin to "Don't cross the streams!" ... "Important safety tip, thanks Egon."

[The Wounded Moose]

Maybe the Despiser doesn't wake the Worm because its the Worm's power itself (exploding stars and such) that would destroy him without possessing the ring himself.

I thought that maybe the worm being roused by itself would not end the AoT, only a battle with it, but would just destroy the actual planet. Althought i think that's contradicting something said in TOT.

On another note, don't the giants have a written language that Seadreamer could have used to make the whole Tree ordeal easier? Or would that make a less compelling series?

[The Creator]

As far as the AoT and the Worm, I agree that Foul couldn't care less about the destruction of the Earth within the Aot, but he needed to break it in order to get out. I am beginning to think that Findail had an insight that Foul didn't. Foul perhaps assumed that "broke is broke" and when the Aot is broken he gets out. Findail is saying that Foul needs to have the white gold in order to preserve himself from being destroyed himself.

As far as the muteness of Seadreamer, I also feel that this is a weak point. The ignorance of the protagonists to the consequences of their actions is a key to their "free will" and actions. Findail has a reason not to talk, but Seadreamer wants to. Seadreamer (according to the Master) is mute not because he has lost the power of speech but because the horror (or extravagance) of his Earth-Sight has no words. To me this is inadequate. Even the pantomime he does with Linden on the way to TOT could have been said with words. As horrible as it is to him, he could have said "When we get to the One Tree, I will die."

[SleeplessOne]

I have it on good authority that the 3rd Series uncovers this mystery.

old topic, but as KW member Vain hinted a while back, one that could becoming more relevant as the 3rd chronicles progress ..

As the OP said; it makes sense that Findail himself would both fear and even abhor Vain and what he represented; but after reading the 2nd chapter of Fatal Revenant the reason the Elohim wanted Vain destroyed now seems clearer too;

Spoiler

it seems that the same or similar lore that the ur-viles used to make Vain, and by extension 'trap' Findail into contributing his inherit Earthpower to the new Staff of Law, has been adapted to form 'manacles' capable of imprisoning the Elohim - sure, Kastenessen is the likely recipient of these manacles, but the possibility that the ur-viles are capable of binding them would be making those free n' easy Elohim folk uneasy .. Wurd.

[dlbpharmd]

Interesting thought, SO.

[Rocksister]

I think they were abashed by his perfection, and their lack of knowledge of him and why/how he was made, so they wanted to break him down to find out. They considered themselves superior in knowledge and abilities beyond anyone or anything, but Vain humbled them and they didn't like it. Elohim = EGO We all know what happened to Satan and his legions when his ego got too big for him. I kind of expect the Elohim to get knocked down a few notches in upcoming volumes. Sometimes I wonder if they aren't on Foul's side. There might already be a post regarding that thought , so I won't expound on it here. Seems to me like a lot of what they have done so far has helped Foul more than anyone else. But the "brain void" did save TC from the golden circles at Braitherealm so who knows?

[emotional leper]

I think they were abashed by his perfection, and their lack of knowledge of him and why/how he was made, so they wanted to break him down to find out. They considered themselves superior in knowledge and abilities beyond anyone or anything, but Vain humbled them and they didn't like it. Elohim = EGO We all know what happened to Satan and his legions when his ego got too big for him. I kind of expect the Elohim to get knocked down a few notches in upcoming volumes. Sometimes I wonder if they aren't on Foul's side. There might already be a post regarding that thought , so I won't expound on it here. Seems to me like a lot of what they have done so far has helped Foul more than anyone else. But the "brain void" did save TC from the golden circles at Braitherealm so who knows?

I was under the impression that the Elohim did 'know' everything. The problem was is that they were so damned self important that they considered nearly everything 'beneath their notice.'

[Karza]

First time poster, long time reader I just want to add something here that I think no one has touched upon. Everytime TC let loose with a sustained blast of wild magic, Vain would make his "grin" at Covenant.
Also, Linden merged Vain and Findail into the Staff of Law with a outpouring of wild magic...So, besides Earthpower...Is there some wild magic in the Staff?

[iQuestor]

First time poster, long time reader I just want to add something here that I think no one has touched upon. Everytime TC let loose with a sustained blast of wild magic, Vain would make his "grin" at Covenant.
Also, Linden merged Vain and Findail into the Staff of Law with a outpouring of wild magic...So, besides Earthpower...Is there some wild magic in the Staff?

Welcome Karza!!

I dont think there is, since the SoL is the focal point of Earthpower for the land, I dont think wild magic exists in the SoL, but it possibly was used as a catalyst to make it.

[dlbpharmd]

I agree with IQ, also the Law and wild magic are like matter and anti-matter, (thus the destruction of the original SoL.)

[Zarathustra]

Karza wrote:
First time poster, long time reader Very Happy I just want to add something here that I think no one has touched upon. Everytime TC let loose with a sustained blast of wild magic, Vain would make his "grin" at Covenant.
Also, Linden merged Vain and Findail into the Staff of Law with a outpouring of wild magic...So, besides Earthpower...Is there some wild magic in the Staff?

Welcome Karza!!

I dont think there is, since the SoL is the focal point of Earthpower for the land, I dont think wild magic exists in the SoL, but it possibly was used as a catalyst to make it.

Perhaps wild magic is necessary to fuse Earthpower and Law because this fusion is itself paradoxical, thus one needs a paradoxical power (wild magic) to make these two antithetical entities unite. Power and restraint are inherently opposed. The Staff is a stable union, a compromise, a middle ground between them. (So I've always wondered by it's not the Staff of Law and Earthpower . . . but hey, it's not my book . . . ).

[wayfriend]

Wild magic supplied the power.