Pantheon 2.0 - Game Thread

[Benito Alvarez]

As the seasons nears a close, I give a final urge to the Pantheon.

I see now that a total unification, no matter how beneficial, is impossible with some of our more aggressive siblings. However, this only strengthens the case that those of us who ARE of a like mind MUST band together. Those who have the strength to do what must be done, also have the responsibility to do so. I care not for those of lesser strength who will ride the coattails of our success as long as we are all alive to be angry with them.

We will either survive united or die separated. I hope it is the former.

[Norn]

I would like all to know that I still plan to attempt to close the Chastus Portal. Any donations of power would be most welcome.

[Astavyastataa Kadna]

And I will support Norn ... either thru brave Simjen's nails ... or through the personal sacrifice of my FAVORED and cousin Norn's grace and power we will seal the Void!!

It is to this end and to the protection of Mithyaat Vam and the birthing of our blessed child that I focus my energies for this Turn.

[O-gon-cho]

b'shaa tovah for MV and Jove...

(may all things happen at the proper time)

Am I forgetting someone?

It is to this end and to the protection of Mithyaat Vam and the birthing of our blessed child that I focus my energies for this Turn.

*snort*

...and the swamp land you wish to sell me is located where?

I do believe the main focus of your energies will be thus, but all?

[Astavyastataa Kadna]

Perhaps some minor other matters.

[Hedra Iren]

Pantheon, hear me. In the matter of Maeror's petition against Astavyastataa Kadna, I proclaim the following judgement:

I decree that Kadna did not break the Law, but rather the law. Maeror has suffered damages, and the accused does not dispute. Further transgressions have yet to be sufficiently substantiated, however. As reparations have not been made, Maeror does possess the right to take them. However, should he take more than an equal measure, he will lose any lawful standing. I suggest that both parties confer privately, but I have no authority to enforce any transactions between the two.

Such will be written into The Book of Law.

-Hedra Iren.

[O-gon-cho]

Pantheon, hear me. In the matter of Maeror's petition against Astavyastataa Kadna, I proclaim the following judgement:

I decree that Kadna did not break the Law, but rather the law.

Sister, I am so glad to have you back among us, and not dwelling in your isolation.

I must admit though, the distinction you are making between Law and law is beyond me. I do not question your judgement; I seek only to try and gain more understanding.

Are you willing to teach me such?

[O-gon-cho]

I would like all to know that I still plan to attempt to close the Chastus Portal. Any donations of power would be most welcome.

*nod*

Like Norn with her attempt on the Chastus Portal, I wish to confirm that I will be Singing this Turn. As well, any donations to empower the Song will be welcome, both direct power and/or domain blessings. For I believe in such an action as this, that domains will be a powerful tool.

[Astavyastataa Kadna]

Pantheon, hear me. In the matter of Maeror's petition against Astavyastataa Kadna, I proclaim the following judgement:

I decree that Kadna did not break the Law, but rather the law. Maeror has suffered damages, and the accused does not dispute. Further transgressions have yet to be sufficiently substantiated, however. As reparations have not been made, Maeror does possess the right to take them. However, should he take more than an equal measure, he will lose any lawful standing. I suggest that both parties confer privately, but I have no authority to enforce any transactions between the two.

Such will be written into The Book of Law.

-Hedra Iren.

Master Maeror, perhaps we will speak after the Turn ...

[Hedra Iren]

Pantheon, hear me. In the matter of Maeror's petition against Astavyastataa Kadna, I proclaim the following judgement:

I decree that Kadna did not break the Law, but rather the law.

Sister, I am so glad to have you back among us, and not dwelling in your isolation.

I must admit though, the distinction you are making between Law and law is beyond me. I do not question your judgement; I seek only to try and gain more understanding.

Are you willing to teach me such?

If I had declared Kadna in breach of the Law, or to more accurately put it, if I had observed that Kadna had breached the Law, then the consequences would have been universal. There would be repercussions beyond anything I, Maeror, or Kadna could effect. As it is, my statement only notes that Maeror has a legal claim, and within limits, any measures he takes to resolve that claim are sanctioned by Law.

As to what the difference between law and Law entails, it is mainly a matter of scope. That which concerns the fundamental, natural order of Eiran and its gods is covered by Law. That which merely describes the accepted patterns of interaction by the aforementioned is what you would call law. As an example, if someone tried to force one's prophet away from a god against that prophet's will, that would be a violation of Law. But if a god merely used his power to suggest a prophet leave his god, so long as that prophet has maintained his own will, it is allowed by law. The latter may be frowned upon by common custom and agreement, rightfully angering the offended god, but it does not violate the fundamental relationship between a prophet and his god.

[O-gon-cho]

Master Maeror, perhaps we will speak after the Turn ...

...

As to what the difference between law and Law entails, it is mainly a matter of scope. That which concerns the fundamental, natural order of Eiran and its gods is covered by Law. That which merely describes the accepted patterns of interaction by the aforementioned is what you would call law. As an example, if someone tried to force one's prophet away from a god against that prophet's will, that would be a violation of Law. But if a god merely used his power to suggest a prophet leave his god, so long as that prophet has maintained his own will, it is allowed by law. The latter may be frowned upon by common custom and agreement, rightfully angering the offended god, but it does not violate the fundamental relationship between a prophet and his god.

Thank you sister, this I do comprehend.

So...can Law interdict in what happened to Dionach via Nephirthos' trickery? Or is such beyond even the scope of Eiran's Law?

[Astavyastataa Kadna]

And interesting question ... Mistress of the Law ... it appears that The World Breaker is outside the reach of Law.

Is this correct?

Or can you bind him?

[Hedra Iren]

I am not the Goddess of Binding. But could Maeror kill him, Undine drown him, or Melirelle mutate him? No, not without a lot of help.

I do not create Law, or even law with a few exceptions. To do so would become the antithesis of the domain. All I can do is interpret it and guide it. Only the Allfather has the power to wield Law in its raw form. And if he chooses to do nothing against Nephirthos, it does not leave me with much recourse.

And as you have noticed, he acts outside of Law. Certainly I will exercise what power I can in strengthening Law and bringing it to bear against him.

It was my intention that a concerted effort at getting all of Eiran to rebuff Nephirthos would strengthen Law against him. Until he is made to play by the rules, I am almost certain that all your efforts will avail you little so long as you are still bound by the same rules. Thus did I support the Song, and thus I still do.

[I'm Murrin]

[Can I just point out first of all that due to certain circumstances this judgment came too late to affect my turn submission. So my actions were done this coming turn with no knowledge of your decision.]

We assume that it is not a matter of Law if we continue to forbid worshippers of the Lords Astavyastataa Kadna and Moxinomal from remaining in the lands our people inhabit. A simple matter of precaution.

[Astavyastataa Kadna]

BAH!! Forbid all you want godling! Your followers KNOW that you are false ... and you will see them flock to me in droves!! Or perhaps wither away due to YOUR neglect!!

[Benito Alvarez]

It is past when our orders have been sent out to our followers, and I would like to openly declare hosilies against Argothoth. As of right now my militaries have standing orders to begin to harry his Undead soldiers. They are now banned from the lands I controll, and will be killed on sight should they enter without my express permission.

However, I am not a hypocrite, and I would like to make it clear that all my DRP went to strenghten the Song this season.

Let it begin.

[Astavyastataa Kadna]

Lord Adomorn ... Know that you declare yourself against one of my closest allies ... and that if he asks of me ... you will know my Battle ... you will know Suffering ... and you will know Conquest!!

Know also that I have consulted with my beloved wife. Mithyaat Vam has not given me her opinion on the matter; she only told me that I "had a mind of your own and to use it" And then graciously kissed me and led me into distraction

Watch and ware Adomorn ... your days may be numbered ... as are the former god Maeror!!

[Benito Alvarez]

Lord Adomorn ... Know that you declare yourself against one of my closest allies ... and that if he asks of me ... you will know my Battle ... you will know Suffering ... and you will know Conquest!!

Although the fight is between Argothoth and I, I would not expect you to Honor such a thing.

Know also that I have consulted with my beloved wife. Mithyaat Vam has not given me her opinion on the matter; she only told me that I "had a mind of your own and to use it" And then graciously kissed me and led me into distraction

I have had no problems with Mithyaat in the past, and anticiapate none in the future. If you have a problem with me, Asta, it is between you and I.

Watch and ware Adomorn ... your days may be numbered ... as are the former god Maeror!!

Although Maeror and I share no great love for one another, I am sure that we will support each other in the coming days. If my gut is correct, and it ussually is, I do not anticipate peacefull actions from you, Asta.

[Astavyastataa Kadna]

As you wish!

I declare myself against YOU ... it is WAR!!

[Benito Alvarez]

I can't say I haven't expected this as an inevitable outcome, but I didn't expect it so quickly.

So be it Astavyastataa Kadna. It is War.