Voldemort was right about Harry's skills as a wizard though

Post by **Zahir** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:46 pm

Harry got excellent grades (except in Divination and History) and certainly showed considerable talent. His skills weren't up there with Voldemort or Dumbledore but then, he never claimed they were.

But it wasn't just luck. Harry won because he understood things Voldemort did not. He earned loyalty where Voldemort did not. He saw possibilities Voldemort never did. Yeah, the Dark Lord had him beat in terms of spell-casting. But in virtually every other way, Harry was his superior. And that is what made all the difference.

Post by **sindatur** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:49 pm

Zahir wrote:Harry got excellent grades (except in Divination and History) and certainly showed considerable talent. His skills weren't up there with Voldemort or Dumbledore but then, he never claimed they were.

But it wasn't just luck. Harry won because he understood things Voldemort did not. He earned loyalty where Voldemort did not. He saw possibilities Voldemort never did. Yeah, the Dark Lord had him beat in terms of spell-casting. But in virtually every other way, Harry was his superior. And that is what made all the difference.

Yea, Harry relied upon his brains and resourcefulness to make up for the spellcasting Voldemort outranked him in.

Post by **Dragonlily** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:54 pm

It was his personality plus "moral fiber" that attracted people and turned him into a leader. He was the "coordinating principle" around which Voldemort's enemies rallied.

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It was his brains that gave him the information about wands, that enabled him to defeat Voldemort at the last.

Post by **Seafoam Understone** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:56 am

Dragonlily wrote:It was his personality plus "moral fiber" that attracted people and turned him into a leader. He was the "coordinating principle" around which Voldemort's enemies rallied.

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It was his brains that gave him the information about wands, that enabled him to defeat Voldemort at the last.

Yes but he still had loads of help though from just about everybody.

Post by **Dragonlily** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:08 am

That's what I mean. He was able to rally all that help because of his leadership ability.

YouTube · Post by **Menolly** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:45 am

...and, as he himself says constantly, he's been really, really lucky...

Post by **Seafoam Understone** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:13 pm

Menolly wrote:...and, as he himself says constantly, he's been really, really lucky...

I'll agree with that but only a dissecton will make it for sure.

YouTube · Post by **Menolly** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:23 pm

Seafoam Understone wrote:
Menolly wrote:...and, as he himself says constantly, he's been really, really lucky...
I'll agree with that but only a dissecton will make it for sure.

It's coming...it's coming!!!

Post by **Seafoam Understone** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:35 pm

Menolly wrote:
Seafoam Understone wrote:
Menolly wrote:...and, as he himself says constantly, he's been really, really lucky...
I'll agree with that but only a dissecton will make it for sure.

It's coming...it's coming!!!

I know! Can't wait, can't wait, can't wait... whoo hoo!

Post by **Fuzzy_Logic** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:55 pm

Harry's not lacking in talents, he's just a lazy bastard or, if you prefer, has other priorities.

Seriously, Harry's general incompetence with magic seems to be result of the fact that he doesn't take his scholwork seriously; plus, he depends on Hermione to take care of him.

Whenever he actually cares, though, he's amazingly good. The Patornus Charm; learning Summoning Charms for the tournament; running the DA; using the Half-Blood Prince's textbook: whenever he actually *tries* he succeeds.

Post by **Seafoam Understone** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:37 pm

Fuzzy_Logic wrote:Harry's not lacking in talents, he's just a lazy bastard or, if you prefer, has other priorities.

Seriously, Harry's general incompetence with magic seems to be result of the fact that he doesn't take his scholwork seriously; plus, he depends on Hermione to take care of him.

Whenever he actually cares, though, he's amazingly good. The Patornus Charm; learning Summoning Charms for the tournament; running the DA; using the Half-Blood Prince's textbook: whenever he actually *tries* he succeeds.

Yes and as a youth when we apply this we become better at it as adults. It is through effort that we learn, not just out of books. Harry is probably one of those who doesn't learn well out of a book and does better when it's hands on. Hermione on the other hand learns from books and has a type of right/left brain that intuitively knows how to work it simply by reading it, plus she's learned how to trust her abilities. Ron, is more like Harry and really has faith in his own abilities when he has to do them, under pressure, over time he learns via the hard way.

Post by **Zahir** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:03 pm

I feel compelled to point out that Voldemort also had a great deal of help. He wouldn't have gone far at all without his loyal Death Eaters. And he would have stayed more-or-less impotent without direct aid from Wormtail and Barty Crouch Jr.

Actually...

Spoiler

At the Battle of Hogwarts, I believe Voldemort was doomed once his followers were overwhelmed. He could himself take on McGonnagal, Slughorn and Kinglsey but once he was forced to face Professor Flitwick, Alberforce, all of Dumbledore's Army, the entire Weasely clan (including Molly), etc. simultaneously--no, he didn't stand a chance. Of course, he'd've killed a fair number of them going down. Hence Harry's actions.

Quite simply, Voldemort also needed luck. What if Quirrel had never found him? Or Sirius had died in Azkaban? What if he hadn't discovered the truth about Barty Crouch? Or even earlier, what if his activities had been discovered while Tom Riddle was still a student at Hogwarts?

Post by **Seafoam Understone** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:54 pm

Zahir wrote:I feel compelled to point out that Voldemort also had a great deal of help. He wouldn't have gone far at all without his loyal Death Eaters. And he would have stayed more-or-less impotent without direct aid from Wormtail and Barty Crouch Jr.

Actually...

Spoiler
At the Battle of Hogwarts, I believe Voldemort was doomed once his followers were overwhelmed. He could himself take on McGonnagal, Slughorn and Kinglsey but once he was forced to face Professor Flitwick, Alberforce, all of Dumbledore's Army, the entire Weasely clan (including Molly), etc. simultaneously--no, he didn't stand a chance. Of course, he'd've killed a fair number of them going down. Hence Harry's actions.
Quite simply, Voldemort also needed luck. What if Quirrel had never found him? Or Sirius had died in Azkaban? What if he hadn't discovered the truth about Barty Crouch? Or even earlier, what if his activities had been discovered while Tom Riddle was still a student at Hogwarts?

While much of that could be very true, remember that even Dumbledore saw the potential in the boy he found at the orphanage. A dangerous potential and thus why he took Tom under his wing. Hoping to assauge the angry, bitterness within him that allowed the evil within to flourish.

But such is the stuff of literature and the ever on-going battle between good and evil.

Post by **Cameraman Jenn** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:12 pm

Actually, Dumbledore never took Riddle under his wing, he merely kept an eye on him. In fact I think Dumbledore even says at one point that Tom never trusted him and Dumbledore believed it was because Tom had revealed too much to him at the orphanage.

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Voldemort was right about Harry's skills as a wizard though