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Asimov's vision: sex with robots

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Humans could marry robots within the century. And consummate those vows.

"My forecast is that around 2050, the state of Massachusetts will be the first jurisdiction to legalize marriages with robots," artificial intelligence researcher David Levy at the University of Maastricht in the Netherlands told LiveScience.

Levy recently completed his Ph.D. work on the subject of human-robot relationships, covering many of the privileges and practices that generally come with marriage as well as outside of it.

At first, sex with robots might be considered geeky, "but once you have a story like 'I had sex with a robot, and it was great!' appear someplace like Cosmo magazine, I'd expect many people to jump on the bandwagon," Levy said.

Pygmalion to Roomba

The idea of romance between humanity and our artistic and/or mechanical creations dates back to ancient times, with the Greek myth of the sculptor Pygmalion falling in love with the ivory statue he made named Galatea, to which the goddess Venus eventually granted life.
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This notion persists in modern times. Not only has science fiction explored this idea, but 40 years ago, scientists noticed that students at times became unusually attracted to ELIZA, a computer program designed to ask questions and mimic a psychotherapist.


"There's a trend of robots becoming more human-like in appearance and coming more in contact with humans," Levy said. "At first robots were used impersonally, in factories where they helped build automobiles, for instance. Then they were used in offices to deliver mail, or to show visitors around museums, or in homes as vacuum cleaners, such as with the Roomba. Now you have robot toys, like Sony's Aibo robot dog, or Tickle Me Elmos, or digital pets like Tamagotchis."

In his thesis, "Intimate Relationships with Artificial Partners," Levy conjectures that robots will become so human-like in appearance, function and personality that many people will fall in love with them, have sex with them and even marry them.

"It may sound a little weird, but it isn't," Levy said. "Love and sex with robots are inevitable."

Sex in 5 years

Levy argues that psychologists have identified roughly a dozen basic reasons why people fall in love, "and almost all of them could apply to human-robot relationships. For instance, one thing that prompts people to fall in love are similarities in personality and knowledge, and all of this is programmable. Another reason people are more likely to fall in love is if they know the other person likes them, and that's programmable too."

In 2006, Henrik Christensen, founder of the European Robotics Research Network, predicted that people will be having sex with robots within five years, and Levy thinks that's quite likely.

There are companies that already sell realistic sex dolls, "and it's just a matter of adding some electronics to them to add some vibration," he said, or endowing the robots with a few audio responses. "That's fairly primitive in terms of robotics, but the technology is already there."

As software becomes more advanced and the relationship between humans and robots becomes more personal, marriage could result.

"One hundred years ago, interracial marriage and same-sex marriages were illegal in the United States. Interracial marriage has been legal now for 50 years, and same-sex marriage is legal in some parts of the states," Levy said. "There has been this trend in marriage where each partner gets to make their own choice of who they want to be with."

"The question is not if this will happen, but when," Levy said. "I am convinced the answer is much earlier than you think."

When and where it'll happen

Levy predicts Massachusetts will be the first jurisdiction to legalize human-robot marriage.

"Massachusetts is more liberal than most other jurisdictions in the United States and has been at the forefront of same-sex marriage," Levy said. "There's also a lot of high-tech research there at places like MIT."

Although roboticist Ronald Arkin at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta does not think human-robot marriages will be legal anywhere by 2050, "anything's possible. And just because it's not legal doesn't mean people won't try it," he told LiveScience.

"Humans are very unusual creatures," Arkin said. "If you ask me if every human will want to marry a robot, my answer is probably not. But will there be a subset of people? There are people ready right now to marry sex toys."

The main benefit of human-robot marriage could be to make people who otherwise could not get married happier, "people who find it hard to form relationships, because they are extremely shy, or have psychological problems, or are just plain ugly or have unpleasant personalities," Levy said. "Of course, such people who completely give up the idea of forming relationships with other people are going to be few and far between, but they will be out there."

Ethical questions

The possibility of sex with robots could prove a mixed bag for humanity. For instance, robot sex could provide an outlet for criminal sexual urges.

"If you have pedophiles and you let them use a robotic child, will that reduce the incidence of them abusing real children, or will it increase it?" Arkin asked. "I don't think anyone has the answers for that yet — that's where future research needs to be done."

Keeping a robot for sex could reduce human prostitution and the problems that come with it.

However, "in a marriage or other relationship, one partner could be jealous or consider it infidelity if the other used a robot," Levy said. "But who knows, maybe some other relationships could welcome a robot. Instead of a woman saying, 'Darling, not tonight, I have a headache,' you could get 'Darling, I have a headache, why not use your robot?'"

Arkin noted that "if we allow robots to become a part of everyday life and bond with them, we'll have to ask questions about what's going to happen to our social fabric. How will they change humanity and civilization? I don't have any answers, but I think it's something we need to study. There's a real potential for intimacy here, where humans become psychologically and emotionally attached to these devices in ways we wouldn't to a vibrator."

Levy is currently writing a paper on the ethical treatment of robots. When it comes to sex and love with robots, "the ethical issues on how to treat them are something we'll have to consider very seriously, and they're very complicated issues," Levy said.

Levy successfully defended his thesis Oct. 11.
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Fox News. I get it. A conservative version of "Government Hides Alien Elvis".
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Don't you get tired of bashing Fox News? This article isn't political. There's nothing conservative about it. Complaining about bias in politics is one thing. But this tunnel-vision campaign to make fun of anything that appears on their website or cable channel is getting very monotonous and boring. Go start a Fox bashing thread in the Tank if you just can't help yourself. This is a thread about technology meets animal passion--about illusion verses reality--about chipping our fantasies from the stone (and silicon) of the earth.
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Malik,

That's a "National Enquirer" type of article if I ever saw one. If Fox News wants to post it, then Fox News gets the criticism that it deserves for posting it. It's not "bashing", because I am not criticizing it out of habit or out of an agenda (thanks, btw, for the snide inuendo that I do, I did notice), but because of the merits of the article right before us. It would take an agenda and a bias to not call that article journalistic poop.

Now, if you wanted to talk about technology, passion, and illusion, you might have mentioned that.

But you posted up an article that was primarilly about bashing liberals from Massachusetts - and I use the word "bashing" quite accurately here. So you got the response from me that you asked for.
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This story is on MSNBC too.

Here's the link:

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21271545/
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This article wasn't about bashing Massachusetts. That's a bit paranoid. David Levy--being awarded his Doctorate for the ideas expressed in this Enquirer piece, as you say--stated his personal opinion that progressive, liberal, and technologically forward states like Massachusetts, which is at the forefront of social and technological change, will be one of the first places to legalize human/robot marriages. Do you disagree? You think Texas will do it sooner?

If the guy was against robot/human marriage, then you'd have a point. But he is defending a paper on the ethics of robots/human interaction. How on earth can you suggest that this guy is critical of the idea when the article produces quote after quote of him arguing that it's a natural progression based on our psychology? You didn't read it, did you?

www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=upiUPI ... _article=1
www.primidi.com/2007/10/12.html
www.politicalgateway.com/news/read/107494
www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame.html?main ... ?id%3D7362
www.unimaas.nl/default.asp?template=wer ... OB&taal=en
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Malik23 wrote:This article wasn't about bashing Massachusetts. That's a bit paranoid. David Levy--being awarded his Doctorate for the ideas expressed in this Enquirer piece, as you say--stated his personal opinion that progressive, liberal, and technologically forward states like Massachusetts, which is at the forefront of social and technological change, will be one of the first places to legalize human/robot marriages. Do you disagree? You think Texas will do it sooner?
Ha ha very funny.

I find it to be an insult. It is an insult to everyone in Massachusetts to say that they would condone robot sex and robot marriage. It's a mockery of the gay marriage issue, and its a mockery of gay marriage legislation in Massachusetts. And that's all this article is intended to be.

And, no, that doesn't make me paranoid if I think so. It's fairly obvious to anyone. (But thank you AGAIN for another inuendoed crack.)
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If you have pedophiles and you let them use a robotic child
is this guy f**king serious? :huh:


and on a side note, ethical treatment of machines? what, I gotta sweet talk my lawnmower now? What a hack! :roll:
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Imagine THIS headline.

People of Massachusetts to be Having Sex With Robots by 2012

Oh wait ... that's a real one! :roll:
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Umm. . . this is a fansite of a fantasy/science fiction writer, correct? Some of you guys have read Asimov, right? This is a technology sub-forum, yes? Why is it so difficult to start mature a discussion on such a fascinating subject given this extremely appropriate, niche audience? There is no need for source bashing or sarcasm.

If you don't like the guy's opinion, fine. But it has nothing to do with Fox New or conservatives. If you don't like my responses, then perhaps you shouldn't use my completely apolitical post to make fun of my sources and my political slant. This is not the place.

Yes, Esmer, the guy is serious. And he raises an extremely important point.

Remember that thread about anti-intellectualism? The guy is telling us what his doctorate thesis is about. These very issues. And all you guys can do is get offended, miss the point, suspect political bashing where there is none, and them post goofy smilies making fun of him. Way to show how we're not anti-intellectual in America. I'm done with this discussion. You've succeeded in making this entire thread a mockery and a showcase of ignorance. Can I please get some mod help in cracking down on this nonsense? This is pure thread crapping.

If anyone else had posted the same exact story using a different link (like the MSNBC one KiGirl posted), none of this would have happened.
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If anyone else had posted the same exact story using a different link (like the MSNBC one KiGirl posted), none of this would have happened.
you sure about that? ;) :lol:


well...i don't mod this forum, but, for what it's worth, i'll put my 2cents in.

i REALLY don't think Malik started this thread with ANY intention WHAT SO EVER of stirring up ANY political hoohah or bashing anybody.
he has repeatedly said so and i believe him.

he wants to discuss ROBOTS and SEX okay! he doesn't CARE if the robots are liberal or conservative!!! yeesh. :roll:



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[Edit: Lucimay, this post crossed yours, honest.]
Malik23 wrote:Umm. . . this is a fansite of a fantasy/science fiction writer, correct? Some of you guys have read Asimov, right? This is a technology sub-forum, yes? Why is it so difficult to start mature a discussion on such a fascinating subject given this extremely appropriate, niche audience? There is no need for source bashing or sarcasm.
Then why did you start by posting an article bashing people from Massachusetts?

Tell me ... really ... Is it possible a smart person like you thinks that this sentence, The state of Massachusetts will be the first jurisdiction to legalize marriages with robots, (a) ISN'T offensive? (b) is plausible?

I find it hard to credibly believe the answer to either question is yes.

Othewise, you knew you posted a troll.

Then you said that anyone who disagrees with the article is bashing Fox News. Which is itself bashing - you disagree with this, it must be because you bash anything Fox News says.

Then you said that I'm paranoid. More bashing.

Then you come around and say "Why all the bashing?" ?!?! Pah-lease.
Malik23 wrote:Remember that thread about anti-intellectualism? The guy is telling us what his doctorate thesis is about.
Okay, now your saying that if I disagree with weirdo it's because I am being anti-intellectual ... I'm disagreeing with him just because he's in college?!?!?! Help! I've been bashed again!

Let's look at the logic here.

1. Massachusetts is a liberal state, so they will legalize any form of human depravity.

2. Massachusetts has a technical school.

So, duh!, Mass will legalize robot marriages very soon.

Please ... really tell me ... Do you really want me to make a note here that says "This is what Malik23 thinks is a sound, logical conclusion" ?

In the mean time, it's plain to me that if I am anti-anything, I am anti-stupid.
Malik23 wrote:This is pure thread crapping.
In my opinion, you posted a troll so that you can take potshots at peoples reaction. (See "Did you really consider it possible that the above was not offensive?" above.) (See "Bashing" above.) Such threads get what they deserve.
Malik23 wrote:If anyone else had posted the same exact story using a different link (like the MSNBC one KiGirl posted), none of this would have happened.
Ow! I am being bashed for attacking Fox News again! Ow! Ow!

Ow! I'm being bashed for picking on Malik, too, who's totally innocent! Ow! Ow!

Gee, someone else might have brought up the topic without posting an article that says "People in Mass will be having sex with robots and even marrying them!"
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All this could have been avoided if you'd just used my "narrowing gap..." thread, Malik. :mrgreen: Or maybe not. *shrug*

Is the story sensational? Sure. Another check for being a bit fluff. Is it kind of weird and icky? Maybe. An outright bash against Massachusetts? Eh, I don't think so. I mean, if I had to make a bet (and the argument, perhaps, is that the article didn't really need to go there, but... it's Fox news. And I wouldn't be surprised if any news outlet tried to juice it up a bit with pushbutton topics) where it would be legal first, then I think I'd also go with Mass.

And just so's ya know, there is a thread in the Tank for bashing Faux News. Maybe two.
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I know FOR A FACT that Malik did not bring up this thread for political reasons. He is a huge Asimov fan and finds the entire subject fascinating from a philosophical viewpoint. As a matter of fact, Malik and I had a disagreement about this article and I clearly overreacted for entirely different reasons. But he explained to me his interests in the article, and I believe him. He never once mentioned to me that he was interested in the article for political reasons; only philosophical implications. And I guess he thought it would be a fun and interesting thread to create.

He doesn't even know that I am writing this. He's at work. I just had to say something in his defense.
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Syl-- The same article is on MSNBC too!
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Those bastards. It's the mainstream media, I tell you.

And I've reconsidered my bet. I'm going with Nevada. Prostitution's legal, so a little robot sex won't get people too bent out of shape. A large portion of the permanent residents are just about married through common law to one slot machine or another. And if there's a state where it's easy to marry someone...

All that, and NV is a red state. Now if we could just get Reid to get some earmarks for the UNR robotics department...
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Way, I don't see anything trolling or wrong with Malik's original post. I think you're overreacting. Cool it.

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Malik23 wrote:Yes, Esmer, the guy is serious. And he raises an extremely important point.
what extremely important point would that be Malik? He's talking about using robot children as sexual surrogates for pedophiles. Does he also recommend beatable rapable wife robots for rapists and batterers?
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Esmer wrote:
Malik23 wrote:Yes, Esmer, the guy is serious. And he raises an extremely important point.
what extremely important point would that be Malik? He's talking about using robot children as sexual surrogates for pedophiles. Does he also recommend beatable rapable wife robots for rapists and batterers?
If it stops a human from being abused, what's your objection?
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