New Banes

Post by **wayfriend** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:48 pm

khalgregar wrote:The bane that was in the north and then found release in Mount Thunder is Kastenessen. Really, it's that simple.

Yep. Could be. It fits the "there's a bane, and there's also the skurj" idea. The only question is, would the Elohim call Kastenessen "a bane"? Not only is Kastenessen a person, but he's one of the Elohim himself. "A bane", on the other hand, sounds like a thing. "And there are banes buried in the deeps of the Earth"... (Then again, TC is Lord Foul's Bane.)

Post by **I'm Murrin** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:08 pm

They may not consider Kastenessen an Elohim any longer, if he's given up (or transformed) some of himself to escape. I don't think they'd dare acknowledge him as one of them--it might make them seem responsible for him, and so long as they can say it's someone else's problem, they can stay out of it.

Post by **Borillar** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:11 pm

This isn't quite related, but at one point, Roger is talking about the dangers of the past and he says that there are a lot more Cavewights, griffins, and then some other name that I haven't ever heard before. Does anyone recall that?

Post by **I'm Murrin** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:17 pm

Quellvisks? Yeah. I think it was Jeremiah who said it; I'm intrigued as well. SRD--in this series at least--doesn't seem to drop things in that he doesn't intend to use.

Post by **Starkin** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:01 pm

Murrin wrote:Quellvisks

Yeah, who knows what the heck they are? I'm sure we'll find out in AATE.

Post by **earthbrah** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:56 am

The glossary of FR says a quellvisk is: a kind of monster, now apparently extinct.

Apparently? Yeah, whatever SRD. You're not fooling us, man.

Post by **amanibhavam** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:36 pm

Starkin wrote:
Murrin wrote:Quellvisks
Yeah, who knows what the heck they are? I'm sure we'll find out in AATE.

Probably giant eggwhisks:)

It's all in the names with SRD, 'quell' comes from OE cwellan, "murder" so I am sure they will be nasty beasts when they turn up...

Interestingly, bane also comes from OE bana "slayer, murderer" so in the past it did refer to a person, not a thing.

Post by **earthbrah** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:51 pm

Quelle means "source" or "origin" in German. But what the hell is a visk???

I'm sure that SRD meant the English origin of the word quell as murder, though. Still, what the hell is a visk???

Post by **I'm Murrin** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:03 pm

Googled:
Seems to be "fish" in Dutch.

Alternatively, according to one result "viska" is "(long) live" in Catalan
So: Quell Visk = kill life?

Post by **Icarus** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:40 pm

earthbrah wrote:Though I don't think the situation is very likely, SRD created the arghuleh and used them in The Second Chronicles. Because of that, I have to believe that we'll see them again in some capacity.

He doesn't seem to be leaving any stone unturned. At the same time, it doesn't seem to fit that these beasts are the banes talked about in this thread, what stirred the Fire Lions. Still, I'd like to see them in battle one more time!

Hmm.. Maybe along the lines of the 'that which is evil need not always be' vein of thinking...

Perhaps the icy arghuleh are somehow recruited to battle the fiery skurj?

Post by **Starkin** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:59 pm

Icarus wrote: Perhaps the icy arghuleh are somehow recruited to battle the fiery skurj?

Oh, cool idea! Of course, I can see the skurj just melting those icy guys into little puddles.

Post by **I'm Murrin** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:35 pm

On the subject of the arguleh, were they running south only because of the croyel, or was there something mentioned about the fires in the north driving them southward? If I'm remembering right about that, it suggests some interesting possibilities regarding Kastenessen's escape.

Post by **callback** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:33 pm

Murrin wrote:Googled:
Seems to be "fish" in Dutch.
Alternatively, according to one result "viska" is "(long) live" in Catalan
So: Quell Visk = kill life?

Quelle Visk = source fish

THE ONE FISH!!!! They bait a fishing rod with the Worm of the World's End to catch him!!!!

Post by **fleshharrower** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:02 am

High Lord Tolkien wrote:I read it that way too.
Kastenessen was the Durance much like I understood the Elohim that turned into the Colossus.
They were the "battery" that powered the construct (durance and colossus) that held them.
(I also like where SRD is going with the whole Elohim fear certain constructs idea!)

Then are we also assuming that Kast was able to slip his bonds because Jeremiah created a "construct" that he was unable to refuse? In essence, a "door" that allowed him to remove himself from his imprisonment?

Post by **Skurj Scourge** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:02 pm

Thinking about Kevin's Dirt: Is it possible that its effect could be reversed... and by that I don't mean mitigated, but flipped...rather than dampening the ability to use Earthpower, perhaps Linden can "heal" the bane that creates it to increase the ability of those under its influence to use Earthpower.

Just a thought...

Post by **Ur Dead** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:12 pm

Skurj Scourge wrote:Thinking about Kevin's Dirt: Is it possible that its effect could be reversed... and by that I don't mean mitigated, but flipped...rather than dampening the ability to use Earthpower, perhaps Linden can "heal" the bane that creates it to increase the ability of those under its influence to use Earthpower.

Just a thought...

nice thought.. like flipping a positron to make it an electron. That would cause Kevin's Dirt to be named something else.

Post by **Skurj Scourge** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:01 pm

Kevin's Light, perhaps?

Post by **wayfriend** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:14 pm

fleshharrower wrote:Then are we also assuming that Kast was able to slip his bonds because Jeremiah created a "construct" that he was unable to refuse? In essence, a "door" that allowed him to remove himself from his imprisonment?

I'm not. Roger stated "No, he slipped out. Which he managed to do by becoming part skurj himself."

Post by **earthbrah** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:52 pm

If he "slipped out", I see that meaning one of two things. The Durance itself is a creation made to hold him, separate from him, something he could slip past only by doing something unexpected. Or,

he is the Durance, his essence was rearranged by the other Elohim somehow to keep him and the skurj in place. Thus, by merging with them he re-altered this essence whereby enabling him to slip past himself. His nature was changed, and so he was able to exceed his own limitation, that is, the Durance that was him.

(Does this line of thought belong on "Durances and Appointed"?

Post by **wayfriend** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:36 pm

Once again, I feel that understanding the Durance as something to bind Kastenessen is incorrect. The Durance was a prison for the skurj, and was named Durance because of this role.

So when Kastenessen was slipping out, he wasn't escaping the Durance, as he was not imprisoned by the Durance.

But Kastenessen was bound by the Elohim to *be* the Durance. This binding is not the Durance itself. This binding is the will of the Elohim and the strictures of the Appointed.

This binding is what Kastenessen slipped free from.

In other words, we have a being who is imprisoned in order to become a prison. Prisons on top of prisons. We need to recognize which prison we speak of when we speak of one.

Kevin's Watch

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New Banes