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Post by **Atrium** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:20 am

As i interpreted the story about the unfettered one and Yerquin-raver, the reason why the raver was able to destroy the highwood was the illearth stone. Dont the text say something about a green fire shooting out from the raver, through the wood and burning the unfettered one to the death? Just another way to show us what bad news the Illearth stone was to the land.

Post by **Borillar** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:57 pm

I don't mean to split hairs over this, as I don't think it's a critically important point, but I don't think there's any way in which Yeurquin-Raver could possibly have been exerting the power of the Illearth Stone without actually possessing a piece of the stone or being very close to one. There's no suggestion in the text that there is any fragment in the vicinity. I suspect the green bolts that shoot from the Raver's hands are power that it can inherently call upon.

Post by **Atrium** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:00 pm

Yeah, i also tried to recall if the text mentions anything about a stoneshard present, i dont think it does. But its still the only way i can see that a raver can defeat a Lomiallor test of truth. We know that they SHOULD be defeated by them. I take that green fire as proof enough. The colour of the ravers energy seem to be red, as i recall it. When theyre not using the stone.

Post by **Aleksandr** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:18 am

Yerquin's possessor wasn't trying to lie or mask his identity. He admitted it openly. So the test of truth had nothing to flunk him on. Also, ravers are capable of emitting intense heat (re: the knife that killed Nassic and the burns incurred by Sunder's mother when she attacked raver-possessed Marid). This raver power is poorly explained, but I can see the destruction of the lomillilor being due to that effect.

Post by **raverlovinmother** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:27 pm

You are dead right it is one of the four summensings but in the what as gone B4 SRD states he was summoned once more pg 4 not twice and the prophecy states three times the white gold wielder is summened to the land and only at the last ect.so mhorms summons must not count

Post by **Atrium** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:04 am

Okay, to keep splitting hairs on this issue; of course the raver was not trying to hide his identity. But the unfettered one also knew this. As i understood the test of truth its, apart from actually testing the truth, also a kind of power struggle, and the ravers normally have been defeated when confronted by Lomiallor. The unfettered one was trying to banish the raver by offering him the test, not getting him to tell the truth (that was already apparent).

Post by **alanm** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:07 am

in WGW, the light of the krill went out when sunder killed the forestal, in FR however, when Linden et al walk into andelain the gem is shinning in response to the white gold. Yet the white gold was still around with TC when sunder stabbed the forestal. TC was wearing his ring on his finger and yet the light of the krill was no more.

just a little thought.

Post by **dlbpharmd** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:42 am

Right, I noticed that also.

Post by **Ur Dead** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:19 am

I think the Krill was not lit when TC first saw it. It responded to the White Gold after Thomas drove it into the talble.

Post by **MsMary** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:21 pm

That's what I remember, too.

And I always assumed that Mhoram used his Lord's staff in his aborted attempt to summon Covenant.

Post by **dlbpharmd** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:11 am

That's true, MsM.

Post by **alanm** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:32 pm

Ur Dead wrote:I think the Krill was not lit when TC first saw it. It responded to the White Gold after Thomas drove it into the talble.

that is correct, but after that it always stayed lit when covenant appeared in the land. After he was summoned in TPTP by Moharm the krill was known to have shone. So why did it go out when Sunder stabbed Hile and why therefore was it shinning when Linden appeared in Andelain in FR without even touching it.

Post by **wayfriend** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:53 pm

The link between the krill and Covenant is subtle.

Here's my opinion: When Covenant stabbed the krill into the table, he unleashed a lot of power from the krill. In some way, the krill thereafter responded to Covenant, because he unleashed its power. This remained true until Sunder used it to slay Caer Caveral. Then, the titanic forces involved undid that association. Someone else, not Covenant, drew even more power from the krill, and therefore superceded Covanant claim to it.

If you think about Donaldson's remarks about how magic is not a light switch, but in fact something that binds the wielder to what is wielded (such as when speaking about the Staff of Law), then this is not so far fetched.

What, then, does this theory predict about why the light shines now (in FR)? Well, we need to ask, who is the krill responding to? It may not be Covenant. It could be Linden or, I think more likely, Anele. Since he is more closely related to both Sunder and Caer Caveral.

Post by **alanm** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:37 pm

possibly true, but as we know from the end of WGW TC is converted into the keystone of the arch of time, the ultimate power so it would shine for him anyway. so apart from a little blip when sunder stabs Caer Caveral the krill is responding to TC, I believe.

cheers

Post by **Aleksandr** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:55 am

Re: that is correct, but after that it always stayed lit when covenant appeared in the land.

Did it start shining in the depths of Glimmermere when
TC appeared on Kevins Watch at the beginning of LFB? Or did it take light when he summoned it after the Soothtell? We really don't (and probably won't) know one way or the other.

Post by **hue of fuzzpaws** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:17 pm

In regards to the original question regarding TC summons to the Land, it is possible that SRD is being rather subtle about the Haruchai's 'hive-memory'.

I recall something in TROTE when Esmer(?) is ranting on about the Masters and their lack of knowledge as regarding threats to the Land.

Can we regard this as another instance that the Haruchai are not as knowledgeable as they think they are?

Post by **Ur Dead** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:50 am

hue of bone wrote: Can we regard this as another instance that the Haruchai are not as knowledgeable as they think they are?

Or that the Haruchai forget information when it's not in their interests.

This could be a possible goof.

The Haruchai knew all the power words and never revealed them to the new Lords after the RoD. The Bloodguard had to have heard them spoken.
They heard about the Power of Command as only spoken in whispers, so why not the full phrase of the seven power words.

Post by **kevinswatch** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:25 pm

I just popped in here because I just passed this part of the book (where Linduh and Stave wander around the Hall of Gifts and she asks about the summons) and I noticed the error as well. It seems like a pretty big mistake to make, and pretty obvious to me when I first read it. Just wondering if it was discussed at all here yet. And I guess it has, heh. Did SRD ever give any official word on it yet?

I've been on a pretty good roll with Fatal Revenant this weekend... I'm almost on Ch. 6 in Part 2. I have to say, for some reason, the last few chapters have really seemed to be the most interesting of the Last Chronicles so far for some reason. But I can't put my finger on it.

Maybe it was the whole thing with the Harrow, which was pretty WTF.

-jay

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