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Excellent points, dw. :)

I don't have a special scale (actually, I have a very old and probably inaccurate scale :P). But I do think it's important to remember that muscle weighs more than fat. So it's important to pay attention to how your measurements are changing and how your clothes are fitting.
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BMI and a dollar might buy you a cup of coffee - just not at Starbucks :)

As a statistical tool for the CDC and the AMA, BMI works just fine, because it can predict with a reasonably high degree of accuracy, and based only on your height and weight, whether you are underweight, normal, overweight, or obese.

Using BMI as a self-improvement tool sucks for 2 big reasons:
a) the BMI ranges are too broad to be useful to the individual trying to lose weight, and
b) BMI does not take body shape, age, or metabolic factors into consideration. Based on BMI, Shaquille O'Neal, Michael Jordan, and all offensive/defensive lineman in football, and most other professional athletes come up as overweight or obese. These people - except maybe for a few of those offensive lineman :) - are very fit people. And some people hail genetically from cold and cloudy climates, where having a nice layer of insulation meant the difference between life and death - these people are metabolic hoarders - and while they can do plenty to get and stay fit and healthy, they may never be thin.

In summary.... BMI :|
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DW beat me to it.

BMI=Bollocks.
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So Cail, DW, and Storm could be our personal trainers. I know which one I'd choose. ;)
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I hate the BMI with unbridled fury...mostly for the reasons DW mentioned.

I personally do not like the scale as a predictor of progress, some people swear by weighing themselves daily...i'm not one of them.

Stuff i like:

Bodyfat calipers: if you don't have a trainer at your gym to take your measurements or if you are just embarrassed, the accu-measure calipers are very easy to use and come with instructions. The essential thing with caliper measurements is that you measure the same spot and use the same technique consistently.

Tape measure: its old school, but it works. This i like to use weekly, waist circumference is the ultimate indicator of how you are progressing...unless of course your body's typical fat deposit follows the pear-shaped estrogen pattern (hips, thighs, butt).

DEXA: expensive as all hell, but if you have health insurance its worth it...the most comprehensive test for body fat analysis we have available.

The clothes test: if you pants are fitting looser, its working, if they are getting tighter its not. For most people judging progress by how their clothes are fitting works...this is using the assumption you are lifting weights too...people who cardio themselves to death just end up being smaller sizes, but still not very firm.
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Wyldewode wrote:So Cail, DW, and Storm could be our personal trainers. I know which one I'd choose. ;)
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Wyldewode wrote:So Cail, DW, and Storm could be our personal trainers. I know which one I'd choose. ;)

<Crosses fingers and holds breath......>
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I don't know about the others here, but this Waynhim is fully functional. :shifty:
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I figured it was automatically implied that Cail was the Eunuch...
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The Haruchai are celibate outside their mountain fastness, but not Eunuchs...
And doesn't Esmer's existence disprove that theory as well?

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Cail wrote:
Wyldewode wrote:So Cail, DW, and Storm could be our personal trainers. I know which one I'd choose. ;)

<Crosses fingers and holds breath......>
I choose Cail--at the very least he can start breathing again! ;)

But according to demographics, we have no eunichs on the watch. . . 'tis puzzling. Care to elucidate, EL?
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Actually, I'm the only Haruchai known that has absolutely sired an offspring. And I left the side of the people I was sworn to protect for nookie.

A eunuch I ain't.

Oh, and WHOO HOO!
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Wyldewode wrote:
Cail wrote:
Wyldewode wrote:So Cail, DW, and Storm could be our personal trainers. I know which one I'd choose. ;)

<Crosses fingers and holds breath......>
I choose Cail--at the very least he can start breathing again! ;)

But according to demographics, we have no eunichs on the watch. . . 'tis puzzling. Care to elucidate, EL?
Elucidate? No. Obfuscate? Maybe.
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As my friend Usivius says, eschew obsfucation!
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storm wrote:I hate the BMI with unbridled fury...mostly for the reasons DW mentioned.

I personally do not like the scale as a predictor of progress, some people swear by weighing themselves daily...i'm not one of them.

Stuff i like:

Bodyfat calipers: if you don't have a trainer at your gym to take your measurements or if you are just embarrassed, the accu-measure calipers are very easy to use and come with instructions. The essential thing with caliper measurements is that you measure the same spot and use the same technique consistently.

Tape measure: its old school, but it works. This i like to use weekly, waist circumference is the ultimate indicator of how you are progressing...unless of course your body's typical fat deposit follows the pear-shaped estrogen pattern (hips, thighs, butt).

DEXA: expensive as all hell, but if you have health insurance its worth it...the most comprehensive test for body fat analysis we have available.

The clothes test: if you pants are fitting looser, its working, if they are getting tighter its not. For most people judging progress by how their clothes are fitting works...this is using the assumption you are lifting weights too...people who cardio themselves to death just end up being smaller sizes, but still not very firm.
BMI has never worked that well for me, except when I was very skinny and working out 6 days a week.

I agree with the tape measure and clothes test as a predictor of progress. Especially the clothes test. I have started measuring myself periodically, but I don't want to spend so much time with that.

I have never bothered with calipers, though I don't doubt their usefulness.

I do weigh myself daily, even though I expect not to lose much when I am gaining muscle, just because it keeps me focused and thinking about what I am eating each day. So, it's a good tool for me personally. I think the key is to not get to hooked into that daily weight and to realize that fluctuations are normal.
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My husband and I went for a nice walk on the boardwalk today. Then I came home and did some exercises.
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Wyldewode wrote:As my friend Usivius says, eschew obsfucation!
As I have been known to say, "If I didn't want people to torture me, I'd stop making it so easy for them!"

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I'd take any Watch trainer who'd have me. Think of me as...a project. Yeah. That's it. :lol:
storm wrote:I hate the BMI with unbridled fury...mostly for the reasons DW mentioned.

I personally do not like the scale as a predictor of progress, some people swear by weighing themselves daily...i'm not one of them.

Stuff i like:

Bodyfat calipers: if you don't have a trainer at your gym to take your measurements or if you are just embarrassed, the accu-measure calipers are very easy to use and come with instructions. The essential thing with caliper measurements is that you measure the same spot and use the same technique consistently.

Tape measure: its old school, but it works. This i like to use weekly, waist circumference is the ultimate indicator of how you are progressing...unless of course your body's typical fat deposit follows the pear-shaped estrogen pattern (hips, thighs, butt).

DEXA: expensive as all hell, but if you have health insurance its worth it...the most comprehensive test for body fat analysis we have available.

The clothes test: if you pants are fitting looser, its working, if they are getting tighter its not. For most people judging progress by how their clothes are fitting works...this is using the assumption you are lifting weights too...people who cardio themselves to death just end up being smaller sizes, but still not very firm.
Yeah, I've heard all the bad stuff about BMI, which is another reason why I mostly disregard that number on my scale.

Mostly I use the daily weigh-in and the clothes test. I do the daily weigh-in because I heard about a study last year that showed that folks who weigh themselves daily are more successful at losing and keeping it off.

Weight Watchers does (or used to, anyhow) recommend taking your measurements when you start the program -- then, when the scale's not moving much, you can take them again and see if you're losing inches instead of pounds. Just another way to stay motivated. :)
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Be careful what you ask for, Ali. . . and perhaps you should see what exercise Cail suggested for me earlier in the thread. :oops: :biggrin:
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aliantha wrote: I do the daily weigh-in because I heard about a study last year that showed that folks who weigh themselves daily are more successful at losing and keeping it off.
I saw that study, too. I feel it's true, in my case, which is why I keep weighing myself (almost) every day.
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