"The Cheat is GROUNDED! We had that lightswitch installed for you so you could turn the lights on and off, not so you could throw lightswitch raves!"
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- I'm always all right.
- Is all right special Time Lord code for really not all right at all?
- You're all irresponsible fools!
- The Doctor: But we're very experienced irresponsible fools.
Though Fred Phelps is an asshole, I have to admit I do find his style interesting. For instance, that tagline at the end about him being irrelevant otherwise is a sort of irreverent humor I don't find in places like amren. Their sort of cold and rational racism is boring to me, I find Phelps' incredible hatred somewhat refreshing. Yes, there are some completely batshit insane people left in this nation.
Phelps celebrated the 9/11 attacks and the more recent al-Qaeda strikes in London as the just recompense of Western decadence. He supported Saddam Hussein and has been appreciative to Fidel Castro. Phelps is probably more appropriately described in psychiatric than political terms. But his political roots are in the Democratic Party, having run for office in Kansas five times, and actively supported Al Gore in 1988 and 1992 before turning against him.
More careful media coverage acknowledges that Phelps’ ostensibly Baptist church is "unaffiliated" and comprised of only his family members, whose compound of houses is assembled around the church and its swimming pool used for baptisms.
Phelps, now age 76, has demonstrated outside the Bush Ranch in Crawford, Texas. He has demonstrated against conservative religious activists James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson. He has demonstrated against the Southern Baptist Convention. His targets span the full political and theological spectrum. Anyone who does not share his insistence that God reserves a special hatred for homosexuals is worthy of the Phelps treatment.
Do you think Heath Ledger has the cojones to cross the picket lines to get into Hell?
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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BTW as far as that bible quote, it says "thou" shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind. That means that either 1: all the commands of the torah, or at least leviticus, being addressed to man are exclusive to men or 2: women are not supposed to have sex with men.
The fact that this person (who by the claims to be an arbiter of goodness and "right") shows such utter contempt and hatred for a fellow human being is the sickening part to me.
Holsety wrote:BTW as far as that bible quote, it says "thou" shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind. That means that either 1: all the commands of the torah, or at least leviticus, being addressed to man are exclusive to men or 2: women are not supposed to have sex with men.
Straight men and lesbians are ok, while gay men and straight women burn?
Wyldewode wrote:The fact that this person (who by the claims to be an arbiter of goodness and "right") shows such utter contempt and hatred for a fellow human being is the sickening part to me.
I agree with your bracketed part. It's not so much the undiluted hatred that bothers me, so much as the fact that the people behind it consider themselves to be good people and paragons of a faith that preaches tolerance.
CovenantJr wrote: It's not so much the undiluted hatred that bothers me, so much as the fact that the people behind it consider themselves to be good people and paragons of a faith that preaches tolerance.
And for a lot of them, it's not even their fault. As mentioned before, it's almsot exclusively one family, and many of them were deliberately raised that way from childhood. I think one of the more disturbing things when I saw the Louis Theroux documentary about them was the way the granddaughter--for example--seemed perfectly normal, but would calmly talk about how all these people were evil and would burn in hell--to her, it's just a fact, she's been told it her entire life and isn't capable of seeing it any other way.
(She is also the one who says she won't marry or ever have a boyfriend because the rapture is going to come in her lifetime.)
drew wrote:Oh those religious fanatics, if they could ony hear themselves.
they do hear themselves - the volume is incredibly high. the problem is that they hear nothing but themselves. (that ain't God talking to them. even His voice is drowned out.)
when the Last Temptation came out i could not get a seat - sold out. i went to the bus full of of protesters and asked if any of them had seen the film. they of course had not. they trusted the word of some guy at the national level. someone none of them had ever met or talked with. but by-gum he said it was bad and that was good enough.