Yes, Dune again.
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From discussing Dune to pontificating about pizza...what the heck happened?
I'd say that's a pretty hardcore objection. I guess David Lynch wanted to make a BIG impression with the Navigator the first time around, and in that he succeeded. I remember it being a WOW moment when I saw the huge tank of the Navigator rolling on the big screen. So I'm glad they didn't wait until a "sequel" to show a mutated Navigator.emotional leper wrote: 9) Navigators
We should not see a non-human Guild Navigator until Dune Messiah, god dammit!
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Agreed.matrixman wrote:From discussing Dune to pontificating about pizza...what the heck happened?
I'd say that's a pretty hardcore objection. I guess David Lynch wanted to make a BIG impression with the Navigator the first time around, and in that he succeeded. I remember it being a WOW moment when I saw the huge tank of the Navigator rolling on the big screen. So I'm glad they didn't wait until a "sequel" to show a mutated Navigator.emotional leper wrote: 9) Navigators
We should not see a non-human Guild Navigator until Dune Messiah, god dammit!
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See? This is why we Hardcore Herbert fans get up in arms and hurt people.
We love these stories. We absolutely love them. Most of us accept that no book to film translation is perfect. However, when something comes along, like Sci-Fi's Dune, or Children of Dune, that tries to make as few gross errors as possible and simplify the story as much as possible, we nod our heads in approval at the spirit of the attempt, even if the actual outcome is not perfect (Which it never will be.)
Then there is Lynch's film.
"Hey! I've got a great idea! Let's add a bunch of fucked up shit that isn't in the book, warp the story around, cut out most of the yucky parts, and then sell it!"
Honestly. David Lynch's film used to be the single greatest travesty in the history of the world. Until Brian Herbert and Kevin J. "Couldn't Write Myself out of a Corner in a Bookstore" Anderson took over and just started blatantly contradicting the Original Author's works.
What's next? Are we gonna make this PC, and remove all Islamic references? 'cause those Fremen, let me tell you something about them: They're terrorists. Yeah. You may not have noticed that.
Oh, and since Homosexuality is now socially accepted, the Baron can't be an EVIL homosexual, because that would be just wrong. Nevermind that it wasn't his homosexuality that was the problem in the books -- it was his pedophilia.
It's sickening. Absolutely sickening. It's like someone taking a precious memory of a time in your life when you were actually happy to be alive, and you looked forward to each coming day, and hadn't yet said to yourself, "I used to think every morning I woke up and didn't gargle a few rounds from my dad's revolver was a victory, until I asked myself 'A Victory for Who?'". It's like someone took that memory and shat all over it, ripped it to shreds, removed its viscera, and then made its own orifices in that desecated, desecrated body, and then proceeded to get it on with it.
You wanna know how Dune should be done? Three parts. One part for each part of the book. There is no other way to do it proper justice. There is no other way to come close to doing it proper justice, short of just making a several days long film.
It's one thing when people make honest mistakes. It'd be okay if they made a TCTC movie and the Ur-viles had small, deformed, useless eyes that were hardly noticable. It would be a crime against humanity if they paraded around in pink lyrca leotards and had ginormous anime eyes. That's what David Lynch did to Dune. I would take his body's water for the tribe, be we would not so wish to pollute ourselves. He is the Koan-teen; The female death spirit that walks without leaving a trace.
David Lynch has sold Fremen for their water.
David Lynch wears the collar of a demon.
David Lynch has no immortality; none of his descendants carry his blood.
We love these stories. We absolutely love them. Most of us accept that no book to film translation is perfect. However, when something comes along, like Sci-Fi's Dune, or Children of Dune, that tries to make as few gross errors as possible and simplify the story as much as possible, we nod our heads in approval at the spirit of the attempt, even if the actual outcome is not perfect (Which it never will be.)
Then there is Lynch's film.
"Hey! I've got a great idea! Let's add a bunch of fucked up shit that isn't in the book, warp the story around, cut out most of the yucky parts, and then sell it!"
Honestly. David Lynch's film used to be the single greatest travesty in the history of the world. Until Brian Herbert and Kevin J. "Couldn't Write Myself out of a Corner in a Bookstore" Anderson took over and just started blatantly contradicting the Original Author's works.
What's next? Are we gonna make this PC, and remove all Islamic references? 'cause those Fremen, let me tell you something about them: They're terrorists. Yeah. You may not have noticed that.
Oh, and since Homosexuality is now socially accepted, the Baron can't be an EVIL homosexual, because that would be just wrong. Nevermind that it wasn't his homosexuality that was the problem in the books -- it was his pedophilia.
It's sickening. Absolutely sickening. It's like someone taking a precious memory of a time in your life when you were actually happy to be alive, and you looked forward to each coming day, and hadn't yet said to yourself, "I used to think every morning I woke up and didn't gargle a few rounds from my dad's revolver was a victory, until I asked myself 'A Victory for Who?'". It's like someone took that memory and shat all over it, ripped it to shreds, removed its viscera, and then made its own orifices in that desecated, desecrated body, and then proceeded to get it on with it.
You wanna know how Dune should be done? Three parts. One part for each part of the book. There is no other way to do it proper justice. There is no other way to come close to doing it proper justice, short of just making a several days long film.
It's one thing when people make honest mistakes. It'd be okay if they made a TCTC movie and the Ur-viles had small, deformed, useless eyes that were hardly noticable. It would be a crime against humanity if they paraded around in pink lyrca leotards and had ginormous anime eyes. That's what David Lynch did to Dune. I would take his body's water for the tribe, be we would not so wish to pollute ourselves. He is the Koan-teen; The female death spirit that walks without leaving a trace.
David Lynch has sold Fremen for their water.
David Lynch wears the collar of a demon.
David Lynch has no immortality; none of his descendants carry his blood.
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Well, EL is passionate about Dune, and I respect that. I know I'm part of a minuscule and nutty minority who actually likes Lynch's version of Dune, heh. Believe me, I know his film pissed off a lot of people, and not just Dune fans.
I do admit that much of my fondness for the movie (EL must be shaking his head in disbelief) rests in things outside of the movie itself.
I do admit that much of my fondness for the movie (EL must be shaking his head in disbelief) rests in things outside of the movie itself.
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Still, the worst of all worsts is Sci-fi's Earthsea. I never imagined such a horror. And not just because they added entirely new things, and literally reversed things, and on and on. But considering how short the books are, it should be easy to put it on film. Yet they blew it worse than one would think would be possible.emotional leper wrote:Honestly. David Lynch's film used to be the single greatest travesty in the history of the world. Until Brian Herbert and Kevin J. "Couldn't Write Myself out of a Corner in a Bookstore" Anderson took over and just started blatantly contradicting the Original Author's works.
All lies and jest
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest -Paul Simon
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest -Paul Simon
Lynch was given that film to make, and not given the budget to make it. Then they decided that it wasn't going to be a franchise after all, and had to shoehorn an ending onto it, without increasing the budget, so they stole the money to shoot the crappy ending from post-production (ever wonder why the opening scenes are basically stills of story boards?).
In short, it wasn't Lynch's fault. He did the best he could, with the tools he was allowed to use.
In short, it wasn't Lynch's fault. He did the best he could, with the tools he was allowed to use.
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I still have not seen Earthsea. I listened to your and Furls' warnings.Fist and Faith wrote:Still, the worst of all worsts is Sci-fi's Earthsea. I never imagined such a horror. And not just because they added entirely new things, and literally reversed things, and on and on. But considering how short the books are, it should be easy to put it on film. Yet they blew it worse than one would think would be possible.emotional leper wrote:Honestly. David Lynch's film used to be the single greatest travesty in the history of the world. Until Brian Herbert and Kevin J. "Couldn't Write Myself out of a Corner in a Bookstore" Anderson took over and just started blatantly contradicting the Original Author's works.
I would certainly be open to a new true big budget adaptation of Dune. The SF miniseries did a decent job, given their low tv show budget, other than the whole Irulan thing.
What was all that about anyway??? How come she was suddenly traveling all over the galaxy?? I will say, though, that I loved the casting of Sting in the Lynch version. Love as thou wilt.
Wouldn't want to see him cast in the role now, though.
>shudders.<
>shudders.<
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"If you're going to tell people the truth, you'd better make them laugh. Otherwise they'll kill you." - George Bernard Shaw
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Bruce was looking remarkably fit on Friday, but that doesn't mean I want to see him in a Speedo!
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