Surpassing Sequels

[Plissken]

Predator 2.

Without a doubt.

[Cail]

I knew there was a reason I liked you Pliss. P2 is awesome.

[aTOMiC]

I liked P2. Not in the same way I liked P1 but I did like the film but I have to say I enjoyed P1 more if for no other reason that the experience was new and exciting.

[thefirst]

I confess that I liked AVP more than P2

[Sunbaneglasses]

Spiderman II is my favorite superhero movie, I also think that X-Men II is better than the first film.

[The Dreaming]

Let me get this straight... You all will accept...

-Inertial Dampeners
-Teleportation
-FTL Drives
-Shapeshifting
-Ray guns that vaporize
-Gangster World?
-Time Travel
-Whoopie Goldberg?
-Sex with Aliens
-Creation of viable offspring with Aliens!
-Wesley Crusher saves the day (again)

But Rocket boots are just too much? Honestly, I bet you could make a pair with extant technology. (I doubt they would have much fuel but still...)

Honestly, I think the most misunderstood Trek is probably Generations. It was really a damn good entry (and not just 'cause it was written by Ronald Moore and featured Malcolm McDowell) I rate it at least as high as 4 and 6. (Which I think are only surpassed by First Contact and Khan. 3 is overrated IMO)

[aTOMiC]

Let me get this straight... You all will accept...

-Inertial Dampeners
-Teleportation
-FTL Drives
-Shapeshifting
-Ray guns that vaporize
-Gangster World?
-Time Travel
-Whoopie Goldberg?
-Sex with Aliens
-Creation of viable offspring with Aliens!
-Wesley Crusher saves the day (again)

But Rocket boots are just too much? Honestly, I bet you could make a pair with extant technology. (I doubt they would have much fuel but still...)

Honestly, I think the most misunderstood Trek is probably Generations. It was really a damn good entry (and not just 'cause it was written by Ronald Moore and featured Malcolm McDowell) I rate it at least as high as 4 and 6. (Which I think are only surpassed by First Contact and Khan. 3 is overrated IMO)

Rocket boots are stupid. There's no reason for them. Why Spock? I know he's been re generated from death and he's not all there but why would he be tooling around high above the Earth in rocket boots? As Spock himself would phrase it "It would be undignified."

All I can say about Star Trek Generations is..."The Captain's on the bridge...no wait...the bridge is on the Captain."

[Cail]

I'll agree with you Tom. There are only six "real" Trek films. I never warmed to TNG, and I thought their films were weak.

Generations had its moments, but suffered from the "It's Star Trek, nothing can ever change" rule.

[matrixman]

The concept and scope of the film are both awesome. It's a damn shame that Universal slashed the budget and Shatner's vision couldn't be realized.

That sums it up nicely. I thought the movie's premise was great, too. Which made the end product that much more frustrating. It remains a mystery to me why the studio was so stingy with the budget for ST V, given how successful ST IV was.

I don't much care for the Next Generation films either. I don't have them on DVD, and likely never will.

And just as Cail is among the very few who like ST V, I belong to a tiny, tiny minority that likes ST: The Motion Picture. I'd be perfectly content to go to my grave convinced that ST:TMP was one of the best science fiction films ever made.

The Empire Strikes Back is my sentimental choice for greatest sequel. Followed closely by Terminator 2.

On the other hand, X2: X-Men United may just be the best of them all. I only recently watched the whole movie, and was captivated from start to finish. X2 is greater than the original in just about every way, IMO.

[Holsety]

-Inertial Dampeners
-Teleportation
-FTL Drives
-Shapeshifting
-Ray guns that vaporize
-Gangster World?
-Time Travel
-Whoopie Goldberg?
-Sex with Aliens
-Creation of viable offspring with Aliens!
-Wesley Crusher saves the day (again)

Thanks dreaming. You just made my day

[Cail]

The concept and scope of the film are both awesome. It's a damn shame that Universal slashed the budget and Shatner's vision couldn't be realized.

That sums it up nicely. I thought the movie's premise was great, too. Which made the end product that much more frustrating. It remains a mystery to me why the studio was so stingy with the budget for ST V, given how successful ST IV was.

With the possible exception of ST:TMP, it's also the movie that most closely resembles the TV show.

[The Dreaming]

Well, I grew up with TNG. And while there are some episodes of the original series that stand out, TNG is simply a better overall product in most ways. Even fans admit that only about 1/3 of the original show was really worth watching. I can understand the way the original show stood out compared to the rest of TV at the time, and that the original cast did have a wonderful chemistry, but in any honest comparison of the two, I think TNG wins out. (Granted, the Roddenberry seasons weren't great. I feel so guilty thinking that the show got better with his demise... but I think it did. Wesley Crusher's departure was also probably the best thing that could have happened to the show.)

First Contact is an excellent entry. Both Shows are an equal part of my childhood, and I rate is easily as high as Khan. (Insurrection and Nemesis I don't particularly like) I thought ST V was cheesy when I was 6 for god's sake. (Fan dance? How old was Nichel Nichols at the time?) The one thats usually most maligned by *my* generation is 4, and its the one I always have to defend. (It's a comedy!)

[Mr. Broken]

TNG had better effects, and Aliens, they didnt just paint someone green and call them a Klingon. On the other hand, the original series had a cultural impact because of its use of ethnic diversity, and equality, years before such ideas had really caught on. Also every time I flip open my Razor to make a call Im tempted to say "One to beam up." TNG was a better show, the original was a statement of changing times, and technological dependence. So I would have to say its a stalemate.

[Cail]

IMO.....There were maybe 5 episodes of TNG I'd consider "really good", not a one I'd consider "great". The most damning thing I can say about TNG was that I never cared about any of the characters. I thought they ranged from bland to awful (with the exception of Riker who was painfully terrible on the TV show, and became somewhat interesting on the big screen).

Oh, and the "really good" episodes would be:

-"Yesterday's Enterprise"
-"The Best of Both Worlds 1&2"
-"Conspiracy" (annoys me to no end that this wasn't pursued)
-"whatever that one was called when Picard 'remembered' the dying race/planet" (probably the best episode of the series).

Now let's be frank, Kirk and Spock beaming down to a hippie planet was pretty silly too, but at least the characters were better drawn.

[dANdeLION]

A Shot In The Dark is way better than the original Pink Panther.

[drew]

The Harry Potter films do seem to get better, but that's mostly because the books get better...except the third movie...I find that one to be the worst so far, yet the book was right on par.

My wife swears that Grease 2 is better than Grease...I've yet to see either of them though.

I;ve got to agree with Balon about Terminator vs Terminator 2...2 was miles better than the first.

[ItisWritten]

I prefer First Contact over Khan, but it's close. Lilly makes the difference. She not only has the I'm-in-space moment, which always get me, but she also punches holes in Picard's civilized facade.

I like both TOS and TNG, but they are Star Trek in entirely different ways. TOS was blatant (the white/black episode?) and as shoot-from-the-hip as you can get without a horse and a tin star. But every episode is held together by cheese. And that's a good thing.

TNG was painfully PC, and they got into more trouble trying to be diplomatic. The better episodes dealt with situations they couldn't fix, or at least had to be mean. There was a layer of cheese here too, but when it got too thick it hurt TNG more than helped. It's almost endearing how TOS heaped triple layers of cheese (Spock's Brain?) and kept dishing.

But TNG refined technobabble, brought us Q (it's hard to work in a group when you're omnipotent) and Data (Pinocchio and the Tin Man rolled into one) and seven seasons of SF viewing. Sure, it's never Kirk, Spock and McCoy, but did you want to see 3 other actors trying to do that?

[Mr. Broken]

It seems to me that the Dirty Harry sequels, each got better as they went on.

[Cail]

It seems to me that the Dirty Harry sequels, each got better as they went on.

With the exception of The Dead Pool.

[Mr. Broken]

I guess your right because I completely forgot about that one, it must not have made much of an impression.