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I haven’t seen a thread about the Cure, so here goes.

I love these guys! Or more specifically, Robert Smith, who, for all intents and purposes, is the Cure. The Cure, for me, is all about emotion. Their ability to describe the highest highs and lowest lows, is almost unmatched, IMO.

They have had a huge revolving cast of musicians over the years, and the only (other than Smith) constant has been Gallup on bass (since his introduction, he’s only been missing from one album). With this ever-shifting line up, it’s almost like picturing Robert as a leader of a jazz band, recruiting the people he needs to get the sound he wants. I’ll admit, his singing does take some getting used too. Smith doesn’t so much sing as much as he emotes in tune. Smith himself is a darn good guitarist, and Gallup is incredible on bass. They’ve had other outstanding musicians through their career also, notably Boris Williams on drums through the late 80s and early 90s and Roger O’Donnell periodically on keyboards.

There’s not an album of theirs I don’t like, from the punk-like beginnings of “Three Imaginary Boys”, to the dark goth of “Pornography”, to the drastically shifting moods of the more accessible “Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me” and “Wish”, and even the rough sounding self-titled release of ’04 has some fantastic stuff on it. And their b-sides and soundtrack songs are frequently good enough to have made every album since ’89 a double album with no reduction in quality.

Contrary to popular belief, the Cure are not always about moping in the corner crying through their eyeliner. Even though some of their best stuff can be described that way, (“Disintegration” – which I’ll come back to) not only are they capable of expressing other emotions, they excel at it. Some of the most infectiously happy music I know comes from the Cure; songs like “Just Like Heaven”, “Friday, I’m In Love”, and “Mint Car” are almost impossible not to sing along with. They’re eminently capable of rocking out too, as tunes like “Wrong Number”, “Never Enough”, and “Burn” demonstrate.

Then there’s “Disintegration”. This album is quite simply, a masterpiece, and belongs in any conversation of “best albums of all time”. Never before or since, have I heard an album take one mood and sustain it through multiple variations, without becoming repetitious, through 70+ minutes, but that’s what they do here. It is an absolute study of loss, and the many ways in which it affects us. From the opening chimes of “Plainsong” through the fading drums on “Untitled” it is musical perfection.

Smith’s writing is quite unique in popular music, in that there are rarely rhythm and lead sections, rarely harmonies, and rarely a traditional verse-chorus-bridge structure. More often he weaves melodies that are in counterpoint to each other throughout each song. Each instrument will play a simple, catchy, melodic phrase, one which would be enough to sustain a typical song. But as each new instrument enters, they add their own melody, which fits harmonically with the initial one, but a unique melody in its own right.

Fascination Street gives a prime example of Smith’s style of song structure. The aggressive, forceful bass riff that is the song’s core opens the tune, and plays, almost without pause throughout the entire five minute song. What lends the song structure are the guitar, keyboard and vocal parts, each repeating its own self-contained melody, but entering and exiting throughout the song to generate an ever increasing level of tension.

The musicianship of the band is most evident, I think, on some of the quieter tunes, most notably Homesick, where the bass and piano duet that dominates the song is one the most beautiful pieces of music I’ve heard.

Lyrically, I think this is nothing short of brilliant. Take these, from the opener Plainsong:
Like I’m living at the edge of the world
Sometimes you make me feel like I’m living at the edge of the world
“It’s just the way I smile” you said

The coldness and detachment present in the girls’ response is heartbreaking, to me. The lyrics of the next few songs (Pictures Of You, Closedown and Lovesong) evoke a sense of loss, but one that is tinged with fond memories of the beauty present in those lost moments. There’s more of a feel of acceptance to the loss present in the lyrics of Last Dance, an acknowledgement that too much time has passed.
I’m so glad you came, I’m so glad you remembered
To see how we’re ending our last dance together
Reluctantly, cautiously but prettier than ever
I really believe that this time it’s forever

But Christmas falls late now
Flatter and colder and never as bright as when we used to fall
And even if we drink I don’t think we would kiss
In the way that we did
When the woman was only a girl

For the next several tracks the hurt and the anger alternate, culminating in the howling rant of the title track:
I never said I would stay to the end
I knew I would leave you with babies and everything
Screaming like this in the hole of sincerity
Screaming me over and over and over
I leave you with photographs, pictures of trickery
Stains on the carpet and stains on the memory
Songs about happiness, murmured in dreams
When we, both of us, knew
How the end always is
But it’s not the end, and the last two track, Homesick and Untitled provide a calm,
reflective landing platform after the anguish, and a recognition that, though the scars have healed, the memory will always remain.
Hopelessly drift in the eyes of the ghost again
Down on my knees and my hands in the air again
Pushing my face in the memory of you again
But I never know if it’s real
Never know how I wanted to feel

Never quite said what I wanted to say to you
Never quite managed the words to explain to you
Never quite knew how to make them believable
And know the time is gone
Another time undone
For me, this album is the ultimate catharsis. It's involving and draining to listen too, but by the end, I end up feeling almost reborn, as if feeling these emotions so deeply through the couse of the album draw them out of me, and leave me feeling rejuvinated.



So, all in all, I think these guys are a fantastic band, that is frequently, sadly overlooked. I know this was kinda long, so if you made it to the end, thanks for reading :), but it turned out that I had more to say than I originally thought.
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Not a big fan at all, but I completely agree with you about "Disintegration". Really a phenomenal album.
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Then there’s “Disintegration”. This album is quite simply, a masterpiece, and belongs in any conversation of “best albums of all time”. Never before or since, have I heard an album take one mood and sustain it through multiple variations, without becoming repetitious, through 70+ minutes, but that’s what they do here. It is an absolute study of loss, and the many ways in which it affects us. From the opening chimes of “Plainsong” through the fading drums on “Untitled” it is musical perfection.
Couldn't really agree more.

That album is great to listen to by yourself around the house, going on a long drive, sharing a romatic evening with some candles wine and a nice dinner..or whatever.

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I'm not a huge fan but I really love some of their stuff, from the early stuff like the Love Cats, In Between Days, Jumping Someone else's Train... and definitely Kiss Me Kiss Me and Disintegration. Pictures of You is just beautiful.
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It is surprising to me, given how much I like the Cure, that I never really discovered them until they did "Dead Souls" I believe that was the name of the song for the Crow Soundtrack.
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Yeah, Lovecats is a cool little tune. If you haven't seen it, the video is pretty darn funny.

youtube.com/watch?v=g0vdt7f2YRw

Love the fake cat puppets. :lol:

Mr Broken, I think you're thinking of "Burn" which was the Cure's tune off of the Crow. But that's a phenomenal song. A perfect example of the more aggressive side to the band.

(If I remember right, "Dead Souls" was the NIN tune, but I could be wrong, it's been a while).
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:lol: I think Mortice Root might be what we called in our teenage years, a 'cure-head'?

Though I've never been hugely into them (put off by friends who never shut up about them!), I do love some tracks, esp Just Like Heaven, Catch, Friday on My Mind, Why Can't I Be You, and just about everything on that early 'best of' - was it called 'standing on a beach' or something?
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My wife's a big Cure fan.........................unfortunately. :roll:
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Stonemaybe wrote
I think Mortice Root might be what we called in our teenage years, a 'cure-head'?

Though I've never been hugely into them (put off by friends who never shut up about them!), I do love some tracks, esp Just Like Heaven, Catch, Friday on My Mind, Why Can't I Be You, and just about everything on that early 'best of' - was it called 'standing on a beach' or something?
Yeah, it was "Staring at the Sea". Sort of a best of from the early years. They had a second one out in the late 90's called "Galore" and then another "Best Of" set in maybe 2001 or so. Of course, each version has like one track not available anywhere else.... :roll:

A "cure-head", huh? :D Yeah, I'll take that label. The funny thing is, it took me a while to get into them. The first time I heard them was at a summer camp. One of the counselors had "Kiss Me" on cassette and played it non-stop. I hated it. (I was 13 and had just discovered Van Halen - this was about as far away as you could get.) Then later on in high school I joined a band who had a heavy Cure influence. I liked the music we played, but still hated the Cure. (again - I was big into hair metal at that point :oops: ) A few years on in college, though, I gave it another try (I was maybe 20) and that time it clicked. (Maybe I was beaten in submission by my then bandmates. :biggrin: )
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Mortice Root you are quite correct, and I am quite mistaken, but to add even more confusion to my recollection I believe NIN did a song called Burn for the Natural Born Killers soundtrack, not that it has anything to do with the Cure. I think the Cure could be considered Iconic to say the least, although Im not sure that would please them.
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Funny thing about the Cure is that though I absolutely love their take on the music / lyrics etc, I absolutely can't stand singers that can't or won't stay on key. I know most fans of the Cure have stories about how when they first heard them they were like "dude can't sing" but after listening for a while they've gotten used to it. As big a RUSH fan as I am Geddy's vocals used to irritate me at first so I'm not alien to this concept, however I've never been able to get passed this with the Cure.
Definitely my loss because there is some simply amazing music in their catalog.
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i liked the Cure much when i was younger. and i enjoy listening to them now and again. but i have never owned an album by them.

i saw J Mascis do his version of Just Like Heaven. now that rocked. :)
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I'm so so on the Cure. I've never listened to an album of theirs that really knocked me out, but there are a bunch of songs that I think are brilliant. Catepillar is probably the most so. I do always get very happy whenever they play a Cure song while I'm dancing though.

I guess for me the happy stuff is what moves me from them. The sadder stuff I find dull, for the most part.
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So, there's a new Cure album coming out. The release date is September 13th. (I haven't found a title yet). This is the group's 13th studio release, and to promote it, they are releasing a new single on the 13th of every month until the album is out. (Ok, yeah, it's a little gimmicky, but it's new music..... :) ) The singles will be on the album, and will each be with a b-side that will not be on the album. The singles are available on itunes.



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I guess for me the happy stuff is what moves me from them. The sadder stuff I find dull, for the most part.
Then you may really like the single out today. It's called "The Only One" and it is one of those perfect, exuberant, deliriously happy tunes the Cure put out every so often. Plus it's catchy as hell. :biggrin: The b-side "NY Trip" seems good too, though it didn't grab me right away (probably why it's the b-side, duh.....)
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Thanks, danlo. I'd never actually seen the "Friday" video before.

Here's a link to the video for the new tune - "The Only One"

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Couldn't find one of Never Enough without a doubt my fave Cure song.
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Here ya go, danlo. :)

youtube.com/watch?v=ri8fQ-7eVAY

It's a darn good song. The video's pretty cool, too.... with the skewed perspective room and all.
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Nice thread Mortice Root ..

I loved the Cure as a young man; untill Goths started popping up at our school, one minute they were pimply young kids, the next minute they were pancake-faced mopers with teased hair, and being the shallow person that I am I didnt want to be to have any association with them or their ilk ... nowadays enough time has passed (erm, nearly 20 years ?) for me to once again appreciate Robert Smith's singular vision, a great artist, and unlike some others I find it fascinating how close he can get to straying completely out of key while still sounding pretty good, and totally unique.
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Thanks, SleeplessOne. It's always nice to find another Cure fan. 8)

Yeah, I had the same reaction to the "Goth" folks in high school and beyond as well. I like the Cure for their musical ability, not their fashion sense. :lol:
nowadays enough time has passed (erm, nearly 20 years ?) for me to once again appreciate Robert Smith's singular vision, a great artist, and unlike some others I find it fascinating how close he can get to straying completely out of key while still sounding pretty good, and totally unique.
Nicely said. I'm curious, what do you think of their newer stuff? (Newer meaning post Wish (ie mid 90s and on)). I ask 'casue a lot of Cure fans I know seem to feel that anything after Wish is a waste of time (and some of them include Wish in that category as well). Personally, while I never would realistically achieve something as great as Disintegration again, I've enjoyed the newer stuff quite a bit. The one album I found a little weak was Bloodflowers - it sounded like it was trying to be a Disintergration follow-up too much to me. Not that it was bad, but.... I did really enjoy Wild Mood Swings and the self titled one though, and am totally stoked about the new album, especially after hearing the new single.
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