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Inspired by Mortice Root's comprehensive-yet-succinct Cure thread.
The two bands actually have a couple of similarities imho; both emerged in the late 70's, hit creative peaks in the 80's (though the Cure were still going strong throughout the 90's and beyond), both bands had eccentric frontmen, both bands did/have achieved a limited amount of mainstream success without compromising their integrity or unique sounds (although I'd argue that more people would be aware of the Cure and their stuff than Talking Heads, who remain suprisingly anonymous in some quarters, once a few of their songs are pointed out, it's inevitable that friends/aquaintances will exlaim - "I didnt know they did that" ...)

But anyway, let's focus on the Heads ...

I love these guys and gals. Too bad the guys and gals themselves aren't particularly fond of each other (well, apart from Tina Weymouth and Chris Frantz, who remain happily married) or else they might still be producing great music to this day.
In some ways, Talking Heads is David Byrne's baby, he wrote the vast majority of the songs, it was his quirkiness that gained the band attention.

The guy is a truly unique individual, born in Scotland but raised in the States, he emerged as a one of the most un-rock n' roll frontman ever to grace a stage; geeky, nervous, vaguely unsettling with his bug-eyed presence and oddly monotone speaking voice. And speaking of his voice, what a queer instrument it was, early in his career he was all squeaky-squawkiness, however over the years his voice has developed to the point where I was genuinely suprised at hearing the power and control he projected the first time I saw him live ..
Byrne's strangeness went beyond his demeanour however; lyrically he wrote and sang about topics rarely before touched upon in modern pop tunes to that point, and in a style that was at times oddly conversational
("leave that wonderful food on the table/there's really no hurry, I'll eat in a while") and at other times just odd ("Look over there! A Dry Ice Factory - a good place to get some thinking done !!") - songs about buildings and food indeed ..

Of course, behind every groundbreaking frontman lurks a kick-arse band - the band was technically limited, but each had their own style that combined to produce a sound that was somehow both edgy and funky at the same time; Chris Frantz was an on-the-dot drummer; not flashy but incredibly solid and a servant to the song. Tina Weymouth has been widely celebrated as one of the finest female musicians of her time, a lady who had never played the bass before being recruited to the band by Byrne and Frantz. Byrne himself was an incredibly funky rhythm guitarist, as too was Jerry Harrison, who also gave the group some versatility with his keyboard talents.

The first 4 albums were sheer genius; debut album '77 was as unselfconsciously quirky as it gets; More Songs About Buildings and Food one of the great guitar-based albums going with barely a solo in sight, Fear of Music a paranoid masterpiece (with more sublime rhythym guitar bliss) and of course the much-celebrated Remain in Light was a true concept album; most songs were played in one chord with a cut-n-paste approach that beggars description, a polyrhythmic space-funk album of epic proportions ... throw in two awesome live albums, both augmented with supplimentary musicians, among them Adrian Belew and Bernie Worrell (the Name of this Band is Talking Heads and Stop Making Sense, which of course was one of the very best concert films ever made) and you have a band that explored new frontiers in modern music ...

The band reached a creative peak with Remain in Light, subsequent albums were perhaps less challenging but perhaps not suprisingly more commercially successful; Speaking in Tongues has 'Burning Down the House', Little Creatures gave them minor hits with 'And She Was', 'Road to Nowhere' and 'the Lady Dont Mind', True Stories 'Wild Wild Life' was moderately successful ... their final effort, 'Naked' remained hitless and unloved, thought it is far from a dud album ...

So there you have it; Talking Heads, an intellectual-yet-funky, succesful-yet-hitless, sophisticated-with-musicians-of-limited-ability band of a rare vision and integrity. I love 'em (oh yeah, I said that).
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very good sum-up.
And you touched upon an interesting point: how certain bands, though musically limited (i mean musicianship/technical chops) can still put out solid albums.
Early U2 was also an example of this.

'Burning Down the House' remains an amazing song to this day and is one that will hold up for a looong time.
And of course, let us not forget the fantastic concert movie 'Stop Making Sense'. It is one of the top 5 of all time.

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I enjoyed some early 'Heads, but I've found that (for me, at least) their music hasn't aged well at all.

Oddly, I still enjoy Jerry Harrison's solo work.

David Byrne's parents lived in the Columbia, MD area when I was in high school. I worked in a camera shop and (just like you see in the movies) we always went through everyone's pictures after they'd been developed. It was way cool seeing the Byrne family Christmas photos before they did.
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I had always been peripherally aware of Talking Heads, mostly just their singles, and had always really liked them, but for whatever reason, never got around to getting any further into them.

I always liked the way they were so unapoligetically "uncool" - sort of geek-chic, before there was such a thing.
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It's funny you mention Talking Heads as aTOMiC, Moonwatcher and I had a conversation about them at Ahira's Hangar this week. It was started by my mentioning listening to And She Was on my contractor's radio. I agree with everything SleeplessOne said-and one of my favorite Byrne solos is the Brazilian influenced Rei Momo. I saw him on Sound Stage last year and he seriously tore it up.
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Another of my favorite bands... up through Speaking in Tongues they were a major part of my soundtrack. The albums after that were kind of hit or miss.

I remember seeing them in 79 at a free concert in the quad at UCLA, when they were still just the quirky early band. Then, a few years later, the Remain in Light tour totally blew my mind!!

Thanks for the bump, SO!

<edit> Jambands like String Cheese Incident and Umphrey's McGee love to cover Heads tunes... mostly the funk stuff like "This Must Be the Place" or "Making Flippy Floppy." And Phish played all of Remain in Light at a Halloween show in 96, and continued playing a few Heads songs for years.

"This is not my beautiful house/this is not my beautiful wife" has entered common speech, even for people that don't know the source.

And then there's the Youtube vid of the crowd going crazy at a Widespread Panic show when they just played Burning Down the House over the PA...
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I remember seeing them in 79 at a free concert in the quad at UCLA, when they were still just the quirky early band. Then, a few years later, the Remain in Light tour totally blew my mind!!

Thanks for the bump, SO!
whoah. I'm rather jealous Relayer, I've seen David Byrne live 3 times, but to have seen the Head themselves, particularly the Remain in Light tour, must've been something pretty special - I'd like to think that even if you weren't a particularly big fan they would've left a mark, they were really at a peak at that point ..
It's funny you mention Talking Heads as aTOMiC, Moonwatcher and I had a conversation about them at Ahira's Hangar this week. It was started by my mentioning listening to And She Was on my contractor's radio. I agree with everything SleeplessOne said-and one of my favorite Byrne solos is the Brazilian influenced Rei Momo. I saw him on Sound Stage last year and he seriously tore it up.
yeah he's quite an accomplished performer these days Danlo, really engaging and his voice is very strong; he's no doubt lost some 'edge' since his younger days when he was a genuine nutter, but he's made up for it with some quirky showmanship - well, in my experience anyway ..
And then there's the Youtube vid of the crowd going crazy at a Widespread Panic show when they just played Burning Down the House over the PA...
haha that's awesome, good to see some love ! :biggrin:
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Like Mortice Root, I love the Talking Heads hits - esp Road to Nowhere, And She Was, Take me to the River, and I have a 'best of' cd, but the hits never inspired me to go out and buy any regular albums.

I've got a Brian Eno & David Byrne album though, 'My life in the bush of ghosts' or something like that. Strange cd.
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Yeah, for me, Talking Heads has always been one of those bands (along with, say, the Pixies) that I always felt I should like, but never got into. I've listened to a few albums and really have just never been knocked out by anything.

Hmm...that sounds like an idea for a thread...
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I had most of the Talking Heads albums when I was younger, but when I sold my albums to replace them with cd's, I only bought the two live ones (The Name of This Band Is Talking Heads and Stop making Sense), as I found most of the studio albums to be too sparse for my tastes. Well, except for True Stories; that one sounded full to me. Still, I like them enough to get the studio cd's eventually.
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SleeplessOne wrote:whoah. I'm rather jealous Relayer, I've seen David Byrne live 3 times, but to have seen the Head themselves, particularly the Remain in Light tour, must've been something pretty special - I'd like to think that even if you weren't a particularly big fan they would've left a mark, they were really at a peak at that point ..
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I actually saw them 5 or 6 times... including the Stop Making Sense tour, the one before that where they played a bunch of the Catherine Wheel material, and a couple others too.
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Relayer wrote:Another of my favorite bands... up through Speaking in Tongues they were a major part of my soundtrack. The albums after that were kind of hit or miss.

I remember seeing them in 79 at a free concert in the quad at UCLA, when they were still just the quirky early band. Then, a few years later, the Remain in Light tour totally blew my mind!!

Thanks for the bump, SO!

<edit> Jambands like String Cheese Incident and Umphrey's McGee love to cover Heads tunes... mostly the funk stuff like "This Must Be the Place" or "Making Flippy Floppy." And Phish played all of Remain in Light at a Halloween show in 96, and continued playing a few Heads songs for years.

"This is not my beautiful house/this is not my beautiful wife" has entered common speech, even for people that don't know the source.

And then there's the Youtube vid of the crowd going crazy at a Widespread Panic show when they just played Burning Down the House over the PA...
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I bet that was fun... I just downloaded some Ratdog yesterday.
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As a kid I assumed they were a hit 80s band, but since seeing True Stories (which is hilarious) and owning Remain in Light, I can really appreciate their strange mix (world-beat-dance-rock-talking/singing).

Also--you guys might like My Life in the Bush of Ghosts, which was a collaboration of Byrne and Eno. It's also one of the earliest (and most successful, in my mind) uses of sampling.
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Yea, great album.
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Speaking in tongues will always be my favorite Heads album. It was one of the first tapes I ever bought. I listened to it so many times when I was in high school. Burning Down the House, Swamp, Girlfriend is better, Making Flippy Floppy--all great songs.

After Speaking in Tongues, I scooped up every other Heads tape at the time and remember driving my friends crazy listening to them constantly. I tossed all of the tapes years ago, and now have a few of their CDs--Speaking, Fear of Music, Little Creatures and Stop Making Sense. I have to say in the past five years I've probably listened to Stop Making Sense the most. I agree with everyone else: Stop Making Sense is an awesome live album. It ranks right up there with Gabriel's Plays Live as one of the best live albums.
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Bump.

I'm way into Talking Heads right now. I think a case can be made that they were one of the greatest acts in the history of pop. How many groups can point to a string of truly excellent albums so long and consistent as 77, More Songs About Buildings and Food, Fear of Music, and the massive Remain in Light? I think Remain in Light is their best (though not by much); it sounds so organic and rich and natural and it flows beautifully. Their rhythm section is tight and thanks to the use of polyrhythms, unique to rock music. The synthesis of genres is staggering. And David Byrne (a great vocalist too, I think) is an excellent lyricist, capable of painting compelling portraits and representations of emotions while focusing upon detail and small, inanimate things (like paper and air on Fear of Music). As has been said they were also truly awesome performers; not a fan of the Stop Making Sense soundtrack (though the video is cool) but The Name of This Band is Talking Heads is a classic live album. I really prefer their studio stuff though -- production suits them.

Their influence on subsequent and contemporary experimental rock really can't be discounted.

And yeah, My Life in the Bush of Ghosts is really sweet. Not at all like that album, but the recent Eno/Byrne record Everything That Happens Will Happen Today is quite good as well.
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Interesting, LM. I've been re-playing all my Talking Heads CDs the last couple of weeks, too (the remastered releases). I strongly agree that they were one of the best pop music acts ever. I would go so far as to say that their albums were strong from '77 all the way to Little Creatures. In my opinion, it wasn't until True Stories that the songwriting quality didn't measure up to the standards they had set. However, I agree with dANdeLION's comment that it had a full sound. And I'll agree that Talking Heads had a sparser sound than most, but that was part of their strength, IMO. As I understood it, one of the motivations behind the Talking Heads forming was a desire to leave behind the monolithic studio sound of mid-70's rock -- to "overthrow the dinosaurs" was how David Byrne put it, I think. Recently on CBC's The Hour, he admitted jokingly that their attempted revolution, in retrospect, didn't quite work out. But that's all right: the body of work Talking Heads has produced - not to mention Byrne's solo work - has nothing to apologize for.

During the 80's, Talking Heads was known to me only peripherally - mainly for their odd but memorable music videos for "Burning Down the House" and "Road to Nowhere." It wasn't until the mid-90's that I rediscovered the band, and realized what great music I had missed.

My most favorite Talking Heads album would have to be Remain In Light. You described it well, LM: it's organic and rich and flows beautifully (and mightily). "Crosseyed and Painless" mesmerized me; I became obsessed with that song. "The Great Curve" left me in awe. (A friend once said to me that if "The Great Curve" can't make you a fan of Talking Heads, nothing will.) And that's even before we arrive at the brilliance of "Once In A Lifetime" - if there is one signature Talking Heads tune, that must be it. But really, this whole album left me amazed at what this band was capable of when it collaborated with other artists on a project.

My favorite Talking Heads songs:

1. This Must Be The Place (Naive Melody) - it lives up to its name, as it truly has a naive melody. It's a wistful song that tugs at the heart. This sort of disarming innocence is a contrast from the rest of the Speaking In Tongues album, in which Byrne musically winks at the listener at every turn, it seems. I think he's being Mr. Ironic on this album (and he's funny at it), but I'm glad for this one heartfelt song. It lends the album a certain grace to end with this song.

2. Crosseyed and Painless - I can't explain it. This song has some kind of power over me.

3. The Good Thing - the line "I have adopted this and made it my own: Cut back the weakness, reinforce what is strong" could be a motto for life. I'm sure trying to heed its message in my life. Also, the song is just galvanizing, with Byrne at the end practically barking out "Watch me work, work...Ohhh, work, work....OHHHHHHHHHH, WORK!"

4. The Book I Read - the ultimate nerd love song? Well, whatever. It works for me.

5. And She Was - another sweetly charming song that could be nicely paired with "This Must Be The Place."

I could say more, but it's 2:30 am. Thanks for your time, and goodnight.
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Well said, matrixman. Little Creatures and Speaking in Tongues are quite good as well ("This Must Be the Place" is also my favorite Heads song) -- and while I've just started listening to them, as yet I wouldn't rank them quite up there with the first four although I didn't mean to slight them in my previous post. I can see what you and dAN mean about a sparse sound technically, but I stand by the fact that Remain in Light in particular has a certain fullness which can probably be attributed to Brian Eno's production and the band's expanding horizons on genre. I forgot to add that Eno's tenure with them was not only one of his career's best periods (it expanded both his musical conceptions and the band's), but I would term it one of the best producer-band relationships ever, rivaling even Eno's collaborations with Bowie!

Also matrixman, the interview you mention can be found here. It's a good one.
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Thanks, LM...I should've guessed YouTube would have that interview.

Remain In Light does indeed have an expansive sound. In fact, now that I think about it, I would say Remain In Light and More Songs About Buildings & Food are, sound-wise, the densest Talking Heads albums.

I agree that the Eno years resulted in much of the band's most inspired music-making. Following Remain In Light, Speaking In Tongues does sound almost anemic by comparison - insubstantial, even. Still, it has a playful, infectious energy that suits those times when you're in a goofy mood. And it does have "This Must Be The Place." Little Creatures, meanwhile, might be the band's most laid-back album, or the least frenetic. Maybe that's why it's so easily overshadowed by the glorious Eno productions. Nevertheless, Little Creatures is a satisfying album to my ears, filled with strong individual songs.

Regarding Byrne, I haven't yet heard his new work with Eno. I'm a little disappointed that Byrne apparently did only the lyrics, not any of the music. Does that mean I don't place much value in Eno's music writing? Maybe. The same friend I mentioned in my earlier post once gave me a tape of Eno's Before and After Science album: I listened to it, but it didn't do much for me. Same with his "ambient" music. All I have to say is, if you really want music that'll bore you out of your skull for 40+ minutes, then his "ambient" stuff is the answer. :P

However, like all of you, I did enjoy the Byrne/Eno collaboration My Life In the Bush of Ghosts. But my most favorite David Byrne solo work remains The Forest. It was the first solo Byrne album I had heard, and I was impressed by how accomplished it was.
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